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Sara-Ann, I got Poseidon this year from Palatine, also. My blooms did not open properly, but are finally improving. I don't know if it was the wetness, lack of sun, and/or thrips? But this evening I was noticing much nicer blooms. Poseidon is thriving, tall, and very healthy.

I'm super excited too Sara Ann. We too got lots of rain and everything looks gorgeous. Roses are loaded with buds. My Poseidon has been super strange all year. Im getting some pretty blooms this year but good gravy its been a strange year for it. Hoping your net flush of them is nice because its gorgeous. I'm getting a good flush right now. Judy

Hi Sharon,

I have used the Montery spray with good results. I would try that before doing anything else. They sell it on Amazon and the small bottle is good for maybe 4 doses, depending on how large your garden is.

I would then use the Bayer granules to help prevent a re-infestation. I don't think it lists chili thrips on the list of insects, but Geoff from Cool Roses recommends it as a means to control them, maybe not eliminate them all together, but it keeps them from forming a major infestation.

I have used it with good results, maybe an 80% reduction, not %100, but a number I can definitely live with.

Also, has anyone use the thrip pheromone lures with any success? I read about these on amazon and I think they are a good idea, but they are a bit pricey ($20 for a few strips) and I'm not sure they'll work on Chili Thrips, but it seems like a good idea. I'd like to give it a try soon.

Lol, I didn't notice the autocorrect fail in my post. Espinosa? Geez.

I have around 200 roses, and only use conserve after I spy early damage. I use the amount directed on the bottle.

Thanks prairie... Thats the thread that made me look for this rose. What with the last two polar winters I've longed to have some cane left again. I also have a few seriously raised beds that I was having a difficult time finding a hardy enough rose for. So I spent time this winter reading the far north forum. Now we need a Campfire in several other colors. -)

Onewheeler... Maybe it doesn't have to last to awfully long to please me -) Anyway when it opened it's first blooms I wasn't for sure if I would like or not. It grew on me thou enough to get some more. I had her planted in an odd spot because the rose in her new bed had not grown back yet. They clearly could not take the raised nature of this bed. Campfire should do well here thou this was late in the season to have moved her.

I agree about the fall growth spurt starting early. I had a few very hard looks at mine yesterday (even through it didn't feel temp wise like fall).

The stipules just shouldn't do that. Nor should a 1/4" stem be able to support two canes of that size....that's asking a lot of the xylem to push nutrients up to those two stems.

Were it mine, I'd assume a worried RRD yes. And I'd be doing whatever it took to isolate or remove the rose because this is the prime population surge time for the vector mites in our part of the world.

It's pretty terrible that I can tell from his description just what his rose looks like....he writes well and hit the high points head on.

Ann

Based on the stipules I would have removed it also. One thing about rrd is it draws your attention often before there are clear signs. Rrd for some reason has been slow this year to show normal symptoms. We're seeing odd signs first without the hyper thorniness, witches broom and twisted distorted growth. Could it be the excessive rains or a viral mutation. I have not the education to even begin to hazard a guess.

You certainly have the knowledge and expertise. I highly doubt that you're running willy nilly seeing rrd everywhere. You saw something that was off in appearance. By removing the cane you cause no harm and may save the roses life.

Kub, I'm not sure where you're located, but I have learned myself not to mix the fertilizer and whatever chemicals just in case there might be some unforeseen reaction. Also, sometimes too much water causes this in a particular plant. It doesn't look like you have a dry problem?

What I would do to diagnose is to not water, let it get dry (if possible), and then water deeply. Cut the damaged parts and watch what bounces back, moving them to semi-shade as they recover. I would actually retain as much of the green leaves as possible and not do a cut back, but definitely remove the offending leaves so you can monitor the health of the plants.

I had a plant, Distant Drums, completely defoliate on me and I moved him to a place with a little less sun and watered deeply and not often.

Good luck.

SoFL- I've done the dry pot thing with the same result. One of the two Grace De Monacos on Fortuniana that I had suddenly turned yellow because it was in a corner of the yard that wasn't getting enough water. I babied it with deadly results. I also had a Ruby Ice, this one on Dr. Huey, that the same thing happened to and I was able to revive it. This is the draw-back to growing roses in pots.

At first I thought it was an overwatering issue, since my sprinklers go off six days out of the week, but the soil drench of the different roses varied in how much water each had in the pot. As time has passed many of the roses are displaying the browning leaves that are indicative of chemical burn, but some just have dropped all the yellow leaves.

I'm writing it off as an honorary mention of the Dummass & Dummerass award in the area of garden genocide. I haven't lost any roses yet, but time will communicate that clearly.

Okay, MsDorkGirl, you need to share your name/nickname because I'm afraid of insulting you with your screen name, lol. Thanks for the feedback/advice. It had been a long time since I had mixed fertilizer and chemicals in the same sprayer. I did it to try to kill two birds with one stone and try to give the infected roses a boost. I'll make sure to never make that mistake again! I usually baby my sick roses like you say, but I have a yard full of roses in this condition right now. Again, thank you for the advice and thank you for the luck. I'll need it!

This thread is the classic case of two roads diverging. A few points:

1- Everything is an opinion. From first hand knowledge to studies performed by clinical statisticians, nothing is ever concrete. Studies are often funded by corporations with vested interests in selling their products and informal case studies (our experiences) are glimpses at microcosms that are never one-size-fits-all/most. The best perspective is a wide perspective, not a narrow one.

2- Everyone is here to share information in order to better the cause. Sure, I've noted trolls from time to time, but they are rare and far between. No one is out to ruin everyone's roses, so respect their contribution and take it or leave it.

3- No one likes to feel left out or attacked. Let's be civil to one another and understand that our words have impact.

4- Energy is the most contagious commodity we have. Keep it positive and we contribute to a place we can call home and feel safe. Keep it negative and things shut down.

5- I'm no one to play peace keeper here, but as a proud member of this community I thank you for reading my suggestions.

A request was made: "the pictures that you linked to are the very close views of roses and we couldn't see how effective grass problems being controlled in your garden. If you can post some recent pictures of your rose garden not your rose closeups that will help a lot."

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An opportunity to toot my own horn. Please see:

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.143709

The general description of this rose is at:

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.63226

Of course one can always say that one picture may not be "typical".

The above picture appears in the following group of pictures which also include pictures at various distances (all of the breeding beds pictured are no longer in existence):

https://picasaweb.google.com/110676259758596791462/RosePictures

I assume that the reader understands that controlling weeds is especially important in breeding beds.

Karen, I am sure that I did have a dud because most other people in the area are able to exhibit and win with it. Every bloom was split. Much sadness. :-(

I get occasional split blooms on mine, but only about 10% of the time. Do I think moonstone is prolific? Yes, its very prolific. One of the best bloomers here, but I do admit she seems to love the heat. If you live in a cooler climate, I'd plant her near a south facing wall so she can get extra heat from the warm cement. She'd love it. I'd have to say Moonstone is probably one of the best roses ever bred. She's strong, vigorous, very prolific, and has the best form next to maybe, Veteran's Honor. She also has large blooms. If she had fragrance she would be absolutely perfect.

I would do a soils test before applying epsom salts. In most of Southern California, there are PLENTY of mineral salts in the soil and water.

soilhugger541: are you Aaron?

I have Grande Dame and Buxom Beauty as first year bare root roses from Palantine.

Both smell wonderful. BB has a better fragrance so far. But GD has BB beat for amount of blooms. Mine don't nod, but YMMV. Last I counted there were 32 buds on my GD. They've just started to open. Sorry, I haven't downloaded my pictures yet (too tired to go that far to get the camera. I'll try tomorrow. Whereas BB has had maybe 4 blooms this year. I think that GD blooms are more beautiful so far. And the sheer amount of flowers on GD is amazing!!

Carol

I find all of these pretty healthy AND on the stingy side with blooms. My vote would still have to go towards GD as she put out some great blooms earlier this year and has good strong canes.

ARE, Heirloom and RVR sell own root roses. The ones from HD are (most likely) grafted on Dr. Huey rootstock. The online vendors should have a page where they state if the roses are own root or grafted, and if grafted, the rootstock used.

Thanks, everyone! I was away for a few days in an internet-free area (yes, there still are such places) and couldn't acknowledge all your wise advice.

Rabains, it's my knowledge that is faulty. Not the roses. :)

Roseseek, since you've lived in this area, I really value your input. Doesn't sound as if either multiflora or fortuniana is ideally suited for the climate.

Then again -- Buford -- you're enabling me! Of course I'll buy something from Palatine in the spirit of experimentation.

Zack, your climate and soil sound like total opposites to mine. When I stick something in the (very alkaline) ground, there's always a chance it will just keel over.

Nanadoll, I know what you're saying about Huey. I am constantly grubbing up little volunteers from where I removed maybe six of them last year. It's basically a weed.

Jerijen, I thought we didn't have virus problems here in SoCal? Not saying I don't -- I probably do -- but generally Zone 10 is considered better for that than four-season climates with wet summers, no? Like Ken's ... although winters are probably mild in NE GA, we have virtually rainless summers and the dominant color is beige, not green.

Nick, I don't know anything about Canina, but I have read somewhere that it is a reliable rootstock. Why can't we get it here? Why can't I order from those luscious European nurseries? The answers are shrouded in red tape.

Diane, you cut to the chase. I'm sure the vendors list the rootstock -- I just don't remember/haven't looked (lazy by nature).

Overall, it seems as if the One True Fact still holds -- if you have the right rose for the right spot (one with sun, water and decent soil), things will go well. Otherwise, it's a gamble. But I keep on rolling those dice ...

THANKS!

Sylvia

Tying the canes with jute or wrapping the bottom of the plant with burlap will prevent the canes from breaking off at the bud union if they are covered with heavy snow. Something to remember if you get that unusually early winter storm before the trees have dropped their leaves. My highly effective winter protection consists of wrapping the tender roses with burlap. How many rosarians grow more than 200 roses in Z6 and lose less than one rose a year?

Yes, stake and tie for winter, prune in the spring. You want to leave as much stored energy in those canes as possible for the spring. You will probably still lose some of it to the winter winds but you'll have some left to start out with next season. In at least 40 years of growing roses I've never lost a cane at the bud union to snow weight. Snow is a great insulator and I usually shovel snow on to my roses in the winter.

Glad you like the rose chaos - wading through them to deadhead isn't fun in shorts, but I've developed my "karate kid" crane walk to minimize the damage.

Arlene - FWIW, all of mine are in no more than 5-6 hours of sun, since they're between two houses. The main effect of less than 8 hours of sun is somewhat reduced bloom or cycles. For instance, my Queen of Sweden in this spot doesn't bloom as much or often as the one on the sunny side of the house, but like you say, if that's what you have to work with, you don't have a choice. Particularly with climbing roses, they are able to stretch up a bit for the sun, so you have to make sure to stretch them horizontally as much as possible to keep them from having little tufts of bloom in the sunniest spots and bare legs. High Country Roses is where I got my Ramblin' Red from, and they have very healthy plants.

Cynthia

Thanks to all who pointed me to High Country Roses. I sent them a note and they did have a few Ramblin Reds in stock and it is now back available to order on their website. I think I will start my "wall" with RR and see if I can fit more in there after it matures a bit. The key will be finding shade tolerant climbers that look good together I think. I also need to heavily amend the bed where it will go. Oh, how the to-do list grows...

I used to love it, but it's been absent since the drought. However, I can well remember the euphoria of stepping into the garden and seeing everything in full bloom. Perhaps it will happen next spring if and when the anticipated huge El Nino arrives, and then I'll probably take a thousand pictures just in case it never happens again here.

Thanks so much everyone. Judy, I love seeing all the beautiful roses you cut, they're gorgeous. Carol, you definitely make the most of your short growing season, I love your roses! Seil, I agree, everything does look beautiful and healthy when they begin to bloom. Patty, in this picture I have Bewitched, Tiffany, Pink Peace, Perfume Delight and the one lonely yellow is Midas Touch. It used to be my favorite yellow HT, it was so vigorous and healthy. I was looking at the bush this evening and it is looking a lot better, hope it really starts doing its thing next year. Ingrid, I do hope you start getting the rain I know you need and you can get really excited about your roses again. I can relate somewhat to your situation, but I don't think we've had it quite as bad here.