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I had a running toilet fixed. It probably used more water than my rose watering. Except for the babies, my landscaping is established and I water once a week. Last summer I watered too long and will need to keep an eye on it. Most of it is manual and I need to remember to move the sprinkler. 80% of my yard is oaks and they don't get watered.
hi hoovb.
thanks for the reply! it looks like the canker!
and what confuse me is that the canker almost happened in the trunk of the rootstock, where there were bud eye.
if the canker tends to attack the site of the de-eyed, dose that mean tree rose is not suitable for our condition?
actually i found a suckers died a couple days ago, the lower part of the stem turned black.
the climate here during springtime is very damp, it rains a lot, the lowest temprature is about -3â to -1âÂÂ.
Rose standards (or rose trees) are almost always double crafts. The flowering portion is crafted onto the central cane (trunk), which is crafted onto a rootstock -- so the rose standard is actually 3 different rose varieties growing symbiotically as one plant.
The trunk portion of a rose standard is extremely vulnerable, primarily because of its total exposure to the elements. To me, the damage on your plant appears to be sun scald . Persistant dry, desiccating winds and/or winter conditions can produce similar damage.
Generally speaking, most gardeners take certain precautions to protect the trunk of a rose standard (especially newly planted ones). It's always advisable to support the trunk with a stake that is somewhat wider than the trunk itself. (The taller the standard, the more important it is to provide support.) The stake should be placed so that it shades the trunk during hours when sun exposure is most intense. Where winters are severe, standards are sometimes surrounded by mesh cages which are filled with dried leaves or some form of loose mulch.
Rose standards are labor-intensive additions to a garden -- especially during the several seasons it usually takes for the trunks to develop girth and rigidity. If well grown they're worth the effort, though.
Just today I noticed (for the first time) a row of five Distant Drums in full bloom nearby. I didn't have time to stop and take a picture, but I was very happy to see somebody else who was a fan of this Buck Rose.
There are tons of roses in bloom. My parents' neighbor has some lovely Living Easy and Just Joey plantings in his front yard with what I suspect may be Reve d'Or trained over his front door. It's just beautiful right now.
I saw a gigantic Mutabilis in full bloom a day ago and a white Noisette creeping over a fence that I thought was either Lamarque or Madame Alfred Carriere which is occasionally available at nurseries around here. Many Lady Banks roses are looking beautiful.
Julia Childs and Icebergs all over are just covered in blooms. It's a wonderful time of year! I'm noticing more roses than ever before here because I'm actually paying attention to landscaping everywhere I go.
Jay
We see this a lot in the spring here and it's black spot that has over wintered on the canes. I don't do anything with it myself. Black spot is a fact of life here and if I cut it all off I wouldn't have any roses left. The roses usually grow and bloom just fine even with the spots.
I have heard cavies are affectionate and have the nickname of love bugs. I will also buy a rose or plant that my hubbie picks out lol, if he shows a interest I'll get it. He loves to deadhead my roses too, he keeps a pairs of pruning scissors on the patio table so he can snip of a dead bloom at any given moment. If you go back let us know what you come home with! I can't wait to hear how your boscobel does for you.
As soon as boscobel opens I'll be sure to post pics !! I am glad my dh dosnt like to touch the roses , I love to do that myself . One time he wacked down a row of limelight hydrangeas about 7 years ago and that was the last thing I asked him to do ! Lol he humors me and looks at blooms and smells them . And dosnt care if I spend a small fortune on my garden stuff. We can live off hot dogs and Mac n. Cheese ! :) I'd rather have plants .
Seil , you would have loved it there! I know you grow lots of floribundas and they had a ton ! I fell in love with a few , one called jump for joy , white licorice was gorgeous and this one called Anna's promise . I don't even like oranges but maybe my heart is changing ! Lol
Jump for joy ( above)
Anna's promise. Camera doesn't even come close to how pretty it was!
This post was edited by lilyfinch on Mon, Apr 14, 14 at 10:47
My 2 cents
I have one Austin that is an accidental ownroot (I came home with a variety of roses and found a cane laying in the bed of the truck next to an expired patent rose.) Disappointed that I had managed to tear the best cane off in transporting, I diced it up and poked them in the ground under glass. Amazingly they all rooted, they were in a bad spot so I moved them assuming they would die, to 3 corners in the same little garden. I had no idea they were not the non patent rose. They grew and grew, filling the corners of the bed and then....a bud. Clearly not the rose I had thought they were all along but instead the Austin I picked up the wrong pot of when buying. I did not want that plant, the reviews were bad, it balls, crisps etc. I was not happy. Now I had this rose I did not want x 4.
Fast forward, that own root grows faster, reblooms more and is incredible. Each of the accidental cuttings is better than the grafted mother plant. I can tie and move the own root canes, the grafted plants canes break off with a stern look. It still balls and crisps, but I no longer care because with so many blooms, some still open. She still nods, but I love that charm and besides with 30 blooms in a couple of feet...what is not to enjoy.
I think that how an individual plant does grafted or not depends on the plant and not so much as the breeder.
That DA also will tip root and provided me with the first seedling at her feet. Maybe it is the anomaly in Austins, but this is one that needs reducing power from the root stock.
Pem - in response to your questions about own root vs. grafted survival, I don't know that there's clear evidence one way or the other. Grafted plants tend to grow a little more quickly in their first summer, which may give them a headstart in their first year on winter survival if the graft is buried deeply enough, but it's a tossup most years.
What the difference is for me is that if I see something sprouting from an ownroot rose I know I get to be excited about the real rose surviving. Too often I've gotten excited about sprouts from a grafted rose only to discover a visit from Dr. Huey the next year when it blooms, and I kick myself for nurturing the little bugger through a whole summer thinking it was my original rose. At least with own root roses, it either survives or it doesn't, and you don't have the cruel limbo of unidentified growth.
Cynthia
This was absolutely the worst winter in terms of winter damage to most of my roses. I have pruned down some of them to half their size due to the extreme winter damage seen on the canes. One rose is completely brown except for some green seen at ground level-- this 'Hot Cocoa' is an own root rose so I am hoping to see some new shoots emerge soon before I do the drastic pruning of the brown canes. The rugosa rose 'Blanc de Colbert' was hardly affected by the winter weather. 'Souvenir de la Malmaison' had to be pruned by half. All the roses had mulch over their roots but no burlap around them or leaves in their centers.These are established roses from at least 5 years in the ground. 'Hot Cocoa' was planted last year.
My Carding Mill - one of my very favorite Austins - has always been apricot, never seen pink blooms on - not sure what could cause it to look pink.....
Boncrow, I was just in Tyler with friends Friday - we stopped by Pandora's Box [an antique and plant shop in Frankston], Blue Moon Gardens then Hand Nursery. The truck was totally packed full - I was sitting with a clematis at my feet, so unfortunately I was not able to go to Chamblees. After Easter, I plan to make a trip back there just to go to Chamblees. Am sure everything will be blooming then! We drove by the Azalea Trail - everything was in full bloom and just fabulous. You really should make another trip "to see the azaleas" then go by Chamblees!!
I am just starting to see blooms - beautiful this morning is Buck's Wanderin' Wind that was a $2 rose from Chamblees sale bin a year ago......
Judith
Jasper, it should do well. Mine always performs it's best when it's the hottest here. It really hates my cool springs and falls and rarely grows much or blooms until at least July. And those nice thick petals open very reliably in any humidity. It's the only white HT I've ever had luck with in my humid Great Lakes area.
It may be 1867, the introduction of the rose La France, Melissa, since that's the year they use in ARS competitions to distinguish between Dowager and Victorian awards. Thanks for the more comprehensive list of classes. I tried to figure them all out once because I wanted to exhibit a newly introduced rose that is in an OGR class and didn't know if it would qualify for Victorian or Dowager or if it had to go in the Shrub catagory because of it's new intro date. In the end they said it could go in Victorian because of it's classification but not Dowager because it was introduced after 1867. It's complicated since some of the classes also have sub classes within them as well. I never did come up with a complete list, lol. Your explanation that it has to do with the date the CLASS was introduce and not the date the VARIETY was introduced is very clear.
It may be 1867, the introduction of the rose La France, Melissa, since that's the year they use in ARS competitions to distinguish between Dowager and Victorian awards. Thanks for the more comprehensive list of classes. I tried to figure them all out once because I wanted to exhibit a newly introduced rose that is in an OGR class and didn't know if it would qualify for Victorian or Dowager or if it had to go in the Shrub catagory because of it's new intro date. In the end they said it could go in Victorian because of it's classification but not Dowager because it was introduced after 1867. It's complicated since some of the classes also have sub classes within them as well. I never did come up with a complete list, lol. Your explanation that it has to do with the date the CLASS was introduce and not the date the VARIETY was introduced is very clear.
It may come back. Do you know if it was deer, rabbits, caterpillars or wombats that did the damage? It if was deer, you need to find a way to keep them away from your plant. They have strange eating habits. They may leave something alone for decades and then it becomes food.
You can try taste or smell based products, but they haven't worked for me. There are three ways to keep deer from eating a rose; enclosing an entire area with a very tall fence, deer cages or training the growth to be above about 4 feet. This is for climbers and staked canes.
Oh, what a shame! I don't have deer (knock wood) but the rabbits do a number on mine. The best thing is a fence or to cage them some how so they can't be eaten. it's the most effective way to go. Repellents only work for a time and you have to be vigilant about applying them regularly. But eventually they get used to it and ignore it and you have to change tactics.
I think your rose will come back. As long as the stem remains green it should grow new leaves. Keep it away from the deer though because it will only have the energy to do that a couple of times before it will die.
I posted these details on a recent Austin thread:
I am in the mid-Peninsula a block from the Bay. Summer highs rarely get into the 70s (F) and we get light frost for a few days in winter. Powdery mildew is a menace and anthracnose and cercospora trouble the roses that are prone to "spotting". Rust has been a problem on some of my roses the last two years. My garden is no-spray.
Belle Story - grafted. 10+ years. Spring and fall flushes with smattering of blooms in between. Good health but is prone to cercospora spots in summer. It has earned its place in my small suburban garden because of its enchanting and breath-taking blooms. Great fragrance, as well.
Molineux - I have 2. Grafted (10+ years) and own root (4th year) and . Always in bloom. Good health. My workhorses. the grafted rose is 6 feet tall and 5 feet wide. The own-root is 5 X 4 (it was bought as a band and was very slow in growth the first 2 years).
Geoff Hamilton - own root; 5th year. Gorgeous blooms. A once-bloomer for me. I have seen it grown grafted in a warmer summer area where it has 3 big flushes. Will be gone from my garden if the drought in California persists.
Crown Princess Margareta - Mine is own root in its 4th year. Good spring flush and then all she wants to do is throw out long thin thorny canes; I have almost no rebloom from her the rest of the year. I am tired of constantly hacking her back in attempts to control her. A few miles inland, a CPM, grafed and grown as a shrub, is almost constantly in bloom. CPM will be gone from my garden after this spring.
Mary Rose - own root; 4th year. So far, she is staying small. Great fragrance, good rebloom and a healthy plant. A favorite.
Abraham Darby - own root, 4th year. I am trying to grow it as a small climber. It is generous of bloom and has decent health. The blooms leave something to be desired (mine don't always look like the pics on HMF) and rust has shown up on it this past year. I would replace it with a better rose but for its fragrance...
Young Lycidas - grafted, 4th year. Good repeat and blooms are very fragrant. Color is lovely - magenta-purple with a silvery sheen. Foliage is, well, weird. Crinkley and appears diseased but is not. Needs staking as the canes are pencil-thin and can't hold the heavy blooms.
Strawberry Hill - grafted; 3rd year. Fragrant blooms in shades of pink, peach and lilac depending on the weather. Rivals Molineux in generosity of bloom. Nasty, wicked thorns. Ackward when I grew it as a shrub - pencil thin canes with huge trusses of blooms face down in the mud; I now grow it as a small climber and it's a constant chore to keep tying back and controlling the canes. Unfortunately, prone to mildew and rust in my garden. (I hadn't seen rust in my garden before). I am hoping it becomes more disease resistant with age as its foliage when not mildewed or looking like cheetos is absolutely lovely.
The Wedgwood Rose - Grafted; 3rd year. This rose has me completely baffled. I get 4 flushes but each flush has only 3-4 blooms. The size of blooms have ranged from the size of a quarter to 4 inches. Disease-free.
The following were added to my garden March of last year, so they are still new. I am adding my observations on health and bloom this past year. All are grafted.
Princess Anne - lovely shade of magenta-pink. Much admired by visitors. I can't detect a fragrance but most others say it is strong and very pleasant. Good-looking shrub. Canes are covered in thorns but they are not vicious. Stopped blooming after October.
Wollerton Old Hall - lovely blooms. Great fragrance. Bloomed well into December. Is my favorite of the new four. Not low-thorn, as noted in David Austin's catalog.
Lady Emma Hamilton - would grow it for the fragrance alone. Repeat seems to be very good. She has been troubled by cercospora or anthracnose. It is particularly bad this spring.
Princess Alexandra of Kent - big blooms with a color range of pink and coral. Fragrance is iffy but, when there, it is pleasant. Has been constantly in bloom and is blooming now. Unfortunately, prone to powdery mildew. It's in an east facing bed and I will be moving it to a south-facing one to see if I can keep the PM in check. Also, the blooms have a tendency to ball so I am hoping the south side will help in that regard as well. (I try not to get roses with a high petal could but I guess I wasn't paying attention when I ordered this one.) Mine is already 7 feet wide and 5 feet tall. And, I have 2 - both placed in the front of the garden bed. Sigh.
My favorites - Wollerton Old Hall, Princess Anne, Belle Story, Mary Rose
Workhorses (for continuity of bloom) - Molineux, Strawberry Hill
Top in fragrance - Lady Emma Hamilton, Abraham Darby, Young Lycidas, Wollerton Old Hall (disclaimer: some people have intensely disliked its scent)
Jo
Thank you everyone for the helpful comments. I'm in South Bay (Silicon Valley).