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Dani; you could try Frederic Mistral - he is similar in colour, and according to HMF, rated to zone 5. The the comments and ratings there seem to attest that he does well in colder zones.
Sadly we don't seem to get Belindas Dream here, so I cant compare the two, but I can confirm that Freddy is very strongly fragranced.
Thanks everyone!
Yes, if you want to do some transplanting, and the soil is digable, now is a good time. Otherwise we need to just wait some more. I know it's hard. I'm as itchy as everyone else to get out there but it's still too soon. I checked my forsythia today and there isn't any even any signs of growth let a lone bloom on it.
Wise advise indeed, Seil! Lots of us northerners have been through brutal winters followed by our old nemisis by which I mean cycles of disappointing spring thaws followed by chilly temps which included dreadfull wind chill factors to make growing our favorite plants (which are roses of course! :-)) all the more challenging. In past years I have been frequently been pleasantly surprised by roses that I've thought were gonners fully reviving into satisfying plants that have gone on to give me years of joy! Rosarians know that roses are FAR much tougher and easier to grow than many nonrosarians know! I'm gratefull that this spring in Spokane, WA has seen some nice and toasty days up to 70 F so far!! :-)
I never heard of mildew going away after june. I am concerned because some recently planted europena and Dublin Bay both have mildew problems. I was going to go after it with spray this weekend or toss the roses. They are both located in the same corner where I had America growing last year and it was filled with mildew and never went away. I welcome all advice. Judith P.
Both Chrysler Imperial and Europeana are well known for their mildew issues here in California. Mildew can be caused by several factors, as well as combinations of any and all of them. First is the genetic proclivity of the variety to mildew. Those genetically susceptible to mildew will require spraying for it in most climates. Immature plants are often more susceptible to diseases, so some may (or may not) out grow them. Weather conditions/time of year can trigger mildew (rust and/or black spot) if you go through short periods where the conditions are more favorable to foster the fungal growth. Siting plays a huge part in many cases. Not providing sufficient air flow or sunlight can create micro climates where diseases proliferate. If you can keep the air flowing (without creating a wind tunnel), and at least five to six hours of sunlight (here in the west, particularly), you may help alleviate the issue. One of the most unbelieved causes of mildew (and other diseases) is water stress. If you don't seem able to eliminate the issue, check the water to make sure the plant is receiving enough. I can force just about any rose in my garden to rust or mildew just by keeping it chronically too dry. If you've corrected all the other possibilities and the plant still offends, and you don't want to spray, change the rose variety for one which is known to be more resistant to the particular disease. Kim
Abracadabra is a sport (mutation) of Hocus Pocus. it is known to be unstable, meaning that it frequently reverts back to its parent. The striping may be gone forever, others who have grown it will be able to say what happened to their plants.
You need to dig down on the side where the cane with the tiny leaves was and find the bottom of that cane where it is growing out of the trunk under the ground and cut it off flush with the side of the trunk and then put the dirt you dug back. Just breaking off the cane or leaves does nothing except make it grow more.
Jackie
"...that was hardy down only to zone 6 rarely made it here."
There is either a typo or confusion in that statement (disregarding potential misrepresentation on labels).
Needing a heat zone map or guide is, of course, a matter of opinion: however, well written reports of USDA hardiness zones EXCLUDE zones where COLD isn't an issue but the plant would not thrive or survive because of the heat. For example: Zones 6-8 (not 1 -5 nor 9 or warmer).
IF more people would study, research, and learn in order to be better gardeners, there would be fewer complaints about such things. No amount of guidance will provide success like knowledge, skill, and experience. Ultimately the onus is upon the person planting.
Fortunately, heat is mostly not an issue for ROSES grown with good cultural practices (zones 10+ excluded).
There is a Heat Zone Map done by the American Horticultural Society - link below.
Here is a link that might be useful: American Horticultural Society Gardening Maps
The USDA Hardiness zones are based on average lows over a set period of time and the temperature spreads used to indicate what is typical for each zone show those average ranges. They do not show the coldest temperatures recorded in each zone - statements like "we had a Zone _ winter" are meaningless when based on one or a few low temperatures, there is no individual temperature associated with any one zone specifically.
I have had temperatures below 10 degrees F. at least a few times here. That does not put me in Zone 7, or mean that I "had a Zone 7 winter".
Zip code based zone finders always put me in the wrong zone (7), catalogs frequently say Zone 8 plants are hardy to Zone 7 - this no doubt again based on the idea that if a plant survives something between 0 and 10 degrees F. that means it is hardy to "Zone 7 temperatures". Nevermind that some day it will have to come through -5 degrees F., -10 degrees F. or worse to persist in Zone 7.
And I think anyway many items are being rated by venders as hardy to Zone 7 because they start to kill back or die outright at around 10 degrees F. - an obvious fudging from the start, apart from the other factors involved.
Kate
Thanks about the David Austins; i have always loved them. Wedgwood looks divine and has a small as well. How does it do in terms of repeat?
And I used to buy bare rooted, but it is too late now . So I will have to buy plants. This might limit my choices somewhat. I have decided I will have room for 4 climbers!
Diane_NJ- how does Caramel Fairy Tale do in terms of repeat? any fragrance? Again I might have trouble finding this year, but for a spectacular rose I suppose I could wait until fall.
Kate, where have you seen these in the New York area? There aren't a lot of places around here where the public has access to roses grown no spray, and I'm always on the lookout for visiting possibilities.
Along the same lines, Sailgranny, if you do decide to plant some Easy Elegance roses, do post an update on how they do for you. I've also been interested in them for a while, but put off by the total lack of local, no spray input. I'm not currently planting at home, but at a public garden. So instead of planting onesies and twosies, I'm dealing with twentyies and thirtyies. It makes it hard to stray from the beaten path.
I've seen some pretty horrific pruning jobs that sprang back better than ever. It's like Kim said, if it has the strength it will find a way to grow. I'm seeing many of mine out there that will probably need to be pruned to the graft but I'm not worried yet. Once they're pruned and things really warm up I'm betting most of them will rebound.
That's what I've seen repeatedly for over thirty years, Seil. As long as they're not eaten into or past the bud union, roses attacked by deer and rabbits usually come back too. Add to it Syl Arena's laughing comment years ago about customers wanting long canes with long roots, and he'd go out to the fields, rip a budded plant from the ground, whack it back to the nubs on both top and bottom and it would always explode into growth when planted in his gardens. As long as the plant isn't dried out, frozen beyond resurrection or otherwise too awfully stressed, it will do all it can to make a liar out of you. Just like dogs and kids! Kim
Like you said, I also don't recall seeing the bare root roses recently. They are now having more and more potted roses. So it's probably been a while for those bare roots, and seeing that condition wouldn't surprise me actually. Many of these plants (and even bagged roots) should go fast....if not, they all stand to be dead or too weak to even desirable at clearance prices.
I've hit both Lowes and HD here and haven't seen any yet. The only place I saw them was Big Lots and I won't buy those anymore. They were a heaped up pile of dead sticks. I don't think I saw one single green shoot. K mart has had some potted ones advertised in the Sunday paper but I went and couldn't find them. Maybe they just didn't get them in up this far north yet. I think I'll wait until the nurseries get theirs in and just spend the extra bucks for the better plants. I'm not looking to buy a ton of new ones anyway.
I have had both when I had a garden in pa. I'm not sure if it was my climate , but Sally's flowers turned a yucky muddy color very quick . I love darlow for its resistance to disease and fragrance and constant bloom. So thorny tho you really couldn't move it tho even if you had to! I have another one coming and I can't wait to smell it again.
I can definitely see fresh blooms on Sally being great in a bouquet tho !
Take them out of the pots they're in and plant them in the ground now. They are not too small. They will have a better chance of growing and establishing a large root ball to carry them through their first winter if you plant them now. If you wait until fall there's always a chance that they won't be established enough before the cold sets in. If it's anything like this last winter it came early and was relentless.
seil, hoovb, farmerduck - thanks for your input
farmerduck - thanks for the link and I certainly hope my DB will be breathtaking too! The link was nice although I don't bury my grafts because I want the biggest bloom production possible and I can always cover with leaves during a rare cold blast
I remember an earlier conversation about some gardeners with alkaline soil having Munstead Woods that were more pinkish than dark purple/dark wine red like it grows in my garden. They concluded the alkaline soil accounted for the difference in colors. I don't really know. I'm not even sure what kind of soil I have--except that I assume it is "average" since my macro hydrangea tends to bloom lavender or part pink and part bluish.
I am curious to see if anyone has any scientific information to prove/disprove the alkaline-color theory.
Kate
I was cleaning the birdbath and testing to see if it would clear up the leaves of choriotic growth on reine des violettes, it gets too much gray water. It was just a splash and the leaves greened up and it was well watered in. But I decided that since I use vinegar as a weed killer on the street. I should skip using it in the garden
This year we just used the eb stone fertilizer for acid loving plants and a top coat of their acid lovers potting soil
The blooms are the same hot pink, same with Munstead Wood, I think the weather has more to do with bloom color.
A better test would be to try it on one of a pair of plants in the same potting mix in the same conditions and see if it makes a difference over time and how the plant grows
Mines more of a permanent pot ghetto too.
Speaking from somewhere it gets pretty hot in summer, its always a good idea to mulch. I tried mulching a few with lucerne hay (alfalfa) this year, and it seems to have helped.
That and get them up off the ground a bit ( especially if they are resting on concrete paving). I rest mine up on bricks to try and get some airflow underneath, and discourage the ants from setting up home.
Getting the watering right- its very easy to skip a few days here and there 'cos the weather isn't "that" hot...or the forecasts keep promising rain that doesn't materialise) then your pots start to dry out. The rose wont die..it just stops growing and flowering, starts looking skanky, and becomes susceptible to disease.
Not sure how feasible climbers would be here as permanent pot residents; I spend far too much time thinking about DIY movable trellising and how to rig up cost effective versions. Your Pat Austin is giving me ideas again Daisy :)
Buff Beauty mysteriously ended up on last years bare root order. 10 months later, shes looking ok, but would be happier trained on something..
No inspring pics from my ghetto, but Seil always gives me hope that one day I can master the art of growing in pots, hehe
In zone 9 I don't know how big a climber or rambler could get so it may not be possible to pot them. But in my zone 6 they never reach the size they can where you are so I had no problem potting my Blaze for 6 years. I have a Dublin Bay in a pot right now because I want it to get larger before I plant it in the ground. Hoping it takes off this season!