22,795 Garden Web Discussions | Roses

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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

That's a pretty thorough job of enabling, upstream.

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seil zone 6b MI

Oh, Michael, really? Us? Enable? ROFL!

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mainemom

Thank you all for your input. I thought maybe thrips were to blame, but a closer look inside the bloom leads me to think proliferation is the answer. I'm glad to hear that possibly a rose can grow out of it. I hope mine does, because I love this rose!

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roseseek(9)

Yup, proliferation. Michael, grow Tequilla Sunrise. Every time I fed it anything with nitrogen, it threw proliferated blooms until the nitrogen either flushed through or was mostly used up. I could force that one to proliferate. Kim

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buford(7 NE GA)

I have this happen on several roses. Mostly in the spring. It seems if they grow quickly, if we have a lot of rain, the canes don't get hardened off enough and the weight of the cane pulls it off. Usually right where the cane meets another cane or the graft. I've been guilty of causing this by brushing up against new canes, they can be very delicate.

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veryzer

Yeah, Predfern, my fertilizing regimen has been consistent, too. I did have to prune WS2000, along with my other roses, nearly to the ground. I guess they're just more susceptible than my other varieties.

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seil zone 6b MI

Sorry to say that that looks dead. If you are purchasing bagged bare root roses at this time of year chances are most of them are already too far gone when you get them to make it. Those roses were harvested last fall. They were dug up, stripped of all their leaves, soil and a lot of their roots and chopped off top and bottom to fit in those bags. Then they were placed in cold storage all winter to go to the stores in February and March. Now they've been sitting on a store shelf since then with no care or water of any kind. The store is cutting the prices to get rid of them, and that's appealing, but they really aren't worth the money. If you have a good nursery near you I'd suggest you go pick out a nice potted rose that's already growing and healthy and start with that.

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ngardener123(5a)

I think you are right. The ones kept dying are the replacements I bought from late April to June, and the first batch I bought in early March are fine. Thanks for the useful information!

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dragonfly_field(8)

Hello I'm new here, but couldn't help myself from commenting! Your pictures are all beautiful! ! I am a huge fan of all the bright colors, it looks so happy. :) You have done a very nice job!!

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johnnycabot(Z4b MI.)

WELCOME Jessica; Your garden is lovely! What a wonderful home you have made. Gardening is a most therapeutic hobby, it refreshes the soul and exercises the body. Nice to meet you!

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seil zone 6b MI

You need not be ashamed at all! You got a lovely rose and a great deal!

No, it's not too late to plant potted roses at all. Bare roots, yes...maybe, lol...but potted roses should go right into the ground or transplant without a blink. Just try not to disturb the existing root ball. It probably doesn't even need to go into the shade. I'm sure it's been out in full sun at the nursery for weeks already. Treat it just like all your other roses and it should do fine.

I would say you can plant potted roses all through June and maybe into July depending on how hot your weather is. If it's scorching hot it's probably not the best time to plant anything but if not go for it. I've dug out vigorous and healthy roses and transplanted them in mid July and other than a touch of transplant wilt, which some good watering took care of, they took off and did great. Know your roses and your weather and play it by that.

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farmerduck

Also, I think that some of the DA potted roses are actually own roots. As far as I can tell, the latest (and last, I hope) DA potted rose I got is own root.

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dragonfly_field(8)

Thank you that is good to know! We are renting now and hopefully will have our own home in a year or two and eventually they will probably be planted in the ground, but for a year or two at the least they will stay in pots. It's very wet where I am and rains most of the year except july and August. June and September are usually dry as well, the rest of the years is often soggy. Not sure if that makes any difference.

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seil zone 6b MI

Except when you're gradually potting up very tiny seedlings or cuttings bigger is usually better for roses. They can't grow to their true potential if they don't have the pot room to build a big enough root ball to support the top growth.

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gr8heather(6b)

The mini could be rainbows end... I'll have to watch it and see how the colors develop. :) thanks

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roseseek(9)

Yes, you can cross large roses with minis. Kim

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Rosecandy VA, zone 7

Okay, so they aren't a problem for me then. Thanks everyone!

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iris_gal(z9 CA)

I have wondered about these so did a little search. From Wikipedia:

In the adult form, it eats and damages leaves of many crops, including cucumbers, soybeans, cotton, beans, and many others. In the larval form, which is known as the southern corn rootworm, it tunnels through the roots of young plants, stunting or killing them. These native pests have a wide range of host plants, but will readily infest a field of crop plants, most notoriously corn.

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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Do you have some hot weather expected? A stretch of cool over cast weather is best for transplanting. Disturbing the rootball as little as possible, and possibly some temporary shade can help for a smoother transition.

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seil zone 6b MI

Go ahead and move them. Dig and prep the new homes first, dig BIG root balls and try not to lose any soil or roots if possible when moving it, replant in new spots and WATER! And keep them watered but not soggy wet. They may wilt a tad at first but should soon perk back up. Don't fertilize them until you see new growth on them. They should be AOK!

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gardenbug(8b)

Okay, this is awesome. You folks are so helpful. Thank you. Since I'm fairly new to rose growing, I think I'll put a couple of stakes in where the branches have drooped to the ground. Tie them to the stakes and when the roses are faded, I'll cut the branch back. I'm just not sure where to make a cut or how far back? Thanks again for helping me.

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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Cut back to where it can stand up by itself. Maybe halfway.

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what is this problem?Not sure what is causing this problem?
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

The fungus is botrytis. This condition is also called "balling." In the garden, fungicides will have little or no effect. The problem will subside in warm or dry weather.

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gardenlady48(z5 IL)

Thank u michaelg !

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pembroke(6--Louisville KY)

has been in pot about a month. Should I see roots coming out bottom of pot and then transplant to larger pot? Pembroke

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mad_gallica(zone 5 - eastern New York)

The rose will have visible roots in its own time. A month is a very short time for a good root system. 6-8 weeks is more typical. but I've had some take much longer.

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jerijen(Zone 10)

Take into consideration that, if this is Dr. Huey (and I suspect Kippy's right) it will be an enormous once-blooming rambler with "iffy" disease-resistance.

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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

Not sure what zone you are in, but if it was very cold, the tree rose might have been doomed so don't feel too bad. But Doc Huey can become a beast.

When I moved to my apartment (my garden is at moms) the previous manager had a rose she LOVED. I had to promise to care for it. It had a giant half rotten trellis. The seasons where Rust, Mildew, Sawflies (the little holes), and red blooms that lasted for what seemed like a few days. After a couple of years I had enough of that beast and cut it out. It had a root like my arm under the patio. I dug and dug and clawed and scratched and finally got the beast out.

I now know that her prized rose was Dr Huey..... There is more growing on the other side of the wall that I keep trying to explain to the gardener to remove it is a weed....but he leaves the palm trees too so what can I do

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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

I bought a band a few months ago and pretty much just put it right in the ground. it is near where the old chicken coop was years ago so guessing that soil has some extra oomph, but it is growing like a weed.

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