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harryshoe zone6 eastern Pennsylvania

Westerland is still fighting to recover from a long cold winter here. Many of the canes which survived seem weakened. The new growth from the ground is quite vigorous however. One cane has already grown 4'.

My problem is worsened because the Venosa Violacea clematis which shares the arbor is now 8' and reaching the top with a thick mat of vines. I have to knit vines each morning in order to give Westerland enough sun to continue growing.

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Ispahan Zone6a Chicago

My own root 'Westerland', growing in much more shade than it would like and in an intensively planted bed with a lot of competition, had a good amount of winter die back this year. It was left with only about 12 inches of green cane after spending the winter with no mulch or protection. It is now looking extremely healthy and is growing vigorously, currently about 4 feet by 4 feet and just about to open its first blooms. While not my favorite rose, I enjoy its searing orange color, sweet fragrance and health.

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diane_nj 6b/7a(6b/7a)

As mentioned, Blushing Knock Out (and Pink Knock Out) is a mutation, or "sport", of the original Knock Out. Known to do this from time to time. I currently have one cane with blooms mixed light pink and cherry red, and this year, one cane that is solid cherry red. Fun to see!

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seil zone 6b MI

It's charming and I hope it will happen again from time to time for you!

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

I don't know if this will make you feel better or not, but Gypsy Carnival is a real disease-magnet and a very weak grower--in my garden at least. The blooms are gorgeous, but the plant always looks like it isn't going to survive to the next blooming cycle--although it has managed to survive for 5-6 years now.

As a whole, it is the weakest and most disease-ridden plant in my entire garden.

Kate

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lelamsk(9a)

Thanks everyone for your feedback. I actually still have a replacement coming and since it is so hot not sure how a bare root will do at this time. I quess best thing to do is soak it overnight and keep it in the coolest place until it can develop some roots. Means there is something else that I will have to baby for a while. But I really did get some great feed back from everyone.. so thanks again.

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reemcook(8a PNW)

Mr. Kim Rupert: Roses are evergreen with little to no blackspot issues (or other diseases). Prolific blooms throughout the season.

Kordes: Generally very healthy in the 8a (Pacific Northwest) climate.

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nastarana(5a)

Francois Lacharme, for his magnificent Bourbon/Noisettes which, alas, I can't grow here.

I can now add Jacobus, now that 'Morning Stars', 'Autumn Bouquet' and 'Dream Girl' are growing back; I thought I had lost them.

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sara_ann-z6bok

Ken - Glad to know that your roses are doing good. Would love to see pictures when they bloom. I love it when my roses surprise me in a good way.

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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

Great to hear sara Ann and ken! Things going good here!
We are actually still in our first flushes for the season...

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tigerloveroses

Hi all....I panicked and pulled out that rose,and a multiflora wild rose that was growing near by..the other roses seem to be ok thank god.one thing is for sure..no more knock outs for me! Never liked them much anyway.the virus is out there though.seen a few wild roses with them.on many landscaping projects in front of malls etc,there are rows and rows of knock outs half dead.ill upload more pics tomorow

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Seeingreen

Knockout's are not any more prone to catching RRD than other roses. There is just higher percentage of Knockouts planted because of their popularity. So it looks like more Knockouts come down with RRD than other roses.
If you go to Blog talk radio and enter rosechat they have episodes on the subject...plus it's a great show if you'r a rose lover :D

This post was edited by seeingreen on Thu, Jun 12, 14 at 16:33

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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

That's interesting Seil (though of course disappointing). I see that occur off and on in my roses in the ground as well, when the canes leaf out just fine then shrivel never more to be seen. I think the cane stores up just enough energy to put out some leaves but without the roots it can't sustain the growth.

I had a dramatic proof of that last year when I received a rose in a band pot that had literally no roots (the company of course replaced it). I went ahead and stuck it in a band pot to see what would happen and I was pleased to see it put out leaves, but after it shriveled and died, I pulled it out and there were still literally no roots. I guess that's why we in colder zones are most concerned about root/graft survival, since there's nothing to save the rose if that goes.

Sympathies on these two plants, vampygirl - if it's any consolation, Marilyn Monroe gave up the ghost on me in the ground in my zone 6 pocket without a fight, so I expect she's on the tender end of HTs. Chicago Peace has more fight in it if you want to replace it.

Cynthia

Cynthia

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Melissa Mc (6b)

I belong to our local rose society and in this month's newsletter one of them theorizes that the root dies first and then the rest of the plant slowly. I think that's what happened with mine as the plant was green and growing. ugh.

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kingcobbtx9b

Reds- I would suggest you look at Don Juan. I just had to move a 5 year old one when we moved and it was a good 14 ft tall and covered with big red blooms. I have a small RU that I am currently loving.

Yellow-You are 6b so not sure a Tea would work for you, but Climbing Lady Hillingdon is a gorgeous yellow for me. Sky's the Limit is also supposed to be great and if you want to try an Austin I have seen some impressive Lady Hamilton roses grown as climbers.

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Melissa Mc (6b)

Thanks guys but I let hubby pick this one since he picked the 4th of July that didn't make it. I chose Purple Splash and it was on sale and Roses Unlimited. Also replaced my Marilyn Monroe, which didn't make it either.

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seil zone 6b MI

They may be OK depending on how well Edmunds packaged them. All you can do is wait and see and hope. Make sure you soak them for a while as soon as you get them.

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cecily(7 VA)

It should be a very healthy, vigorous bush for you. Expect it to be about five feet tall by four feet wide. When it develops multiple canes, you won't need to tie it to anything. All you really need to do is feed it a good balanced rose food according to the instructions on the fertilizer package and water, water, water.

If you post a photo of the open bloom on the antique roses forum, someone will tell you the name of the bush.

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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Yellowish new foliage with green veins is iron deficiency. This is usually caused by high (alkaline) pH. Check the pH and get some sulfur at the garden store. This will very slowly acidify the soil. You could also apply an iron product such as iron sulfate granules. Don't overdo either of these treatments and be patient. I would not remove the young yellowish leaves. They can be greened up.

The plant can be made more bushy by pruning, but since it has had a hard time, I would leave it until early next spring, then cut back part way.

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ratdogheads(5b NH)

The perfect June morning.

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DrPekeMom

Lovely!

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farmerduck

A Burbon that fits the bill is Louise Odier. Both of my plants are 4-year old, and each has a very small fall flush (the emphasis is on the word "small") that can last into November.

Archduke Charles is another that might work. It is a China and might be only borderline hardy here, but I did recall seeing a reasonably-sized plant at the P. Rockefeller Rose Garden in the Bronx. Haven't been there this year so I don't know if it has made through this past winter alive. . Another rose that may qualify is Baronne Prevost, a Hybrid Perpetual, which I think you can find both at the Rockefeller Garden an the Cranford Rose Garden. I don't grow either and cannot tell you how big a fall flush you can expect from each.

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farmerduck

And you might get more responses if you post on the Antique Rose Forum.

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donnaroe

So lovely, thanks for sharing. In my next life, I am going to live in California. (smile)

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martinca_gw

"So lovely, thanks for sharing. In my next life, I am going to live in California. (smile)"
Oh, donaroe. You cannot imagine how often I think of you all who must make such a valiant effort to have the roses we love. It staggers and shames my lazy bones. My respect and admiration swells whenever I read your posts about the work that goes into your roses. My friend in Ohio brings her geraniums inside each fall, and a few roses, as well. I am truly made humble.
All of you made my day with your kind replies.....even more so, 'cause
my garden is puny by comparison to many of yours.
Such a really nice group you all are on here!
Marti
P.s. One more for Leslie: Just Joey

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diane_nj 6b/7a(6b/7a)

The Connecticut Rose Society's rose show is this Sunday, 6/15, at Elizabeth Park in West Hartford. It is a wonderful place to see many varieties, including the ramblers. It looks like ~1 hour from Fairfield.

Here is a link that might be useful: CT Rose Society Schedule

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martinca_gw

Thank you all so much. Good info i will pass along. The OSO Easy and Knockouts look like a good starting rose for her.

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ratdogheads(5b NH)

Sorry to hear about the violence :( Anyone cruel enough to hurt a defenseless animal is a menace to society and needs to be caught and punished.

This might not suit your needs, but I thought I'd mention it. My neighbor who has had trouble with neighborhood dogs going after his chickens installed cameras that required no wiring. He said they are available anyplace you would find hunting equipment. They are motion sensitive, battery operated, and just have an internal memory card. He has them mounted on tree trunks.

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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

Rat dogs

We tested one of the game cameras. They do work great but want to be north facing and the street is north facing. So we got every car that drove by. Lol.

I am going to put up signs that say under 24hr security camera etc. You would be amazed at how much just posting signs change what people do.

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