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Much of what I could say about the subject red roses has already been said. However I would add this about Crimson Glory. I used to have this rose many years ago, but haven't had it for a while. Its growth habit is relatively short and sprawls. It also usually has weak neck and needs to be grown disbudded if you want one flower per stem. It clusters much of the time. A fertilizer higher in phosphorus and potassium will help alleviate the weak necks. Another fertilizer issue is Crimson Glory's sensitivity to high nitrogen fertilizers. It will suffer foliage burn if you dump too much nitrogen on it more than most other varieties. If you don't use it already, I would suggest using a little blood meal added to a low nitrogen fertilizer for this rose. Blood meal is higher in nitrogen, but it is organic and breaks down slowly. It also has iron which is great for color development especially for anything based on red. Put that on all of the roses and watch the colors light up. You don't need much, maybe a half teaspoon per plant. Good luck.
Thanks Bustopher for the fertilizing info on Crimson Glory - just the sort of advice I need. I don't mind Mr. Lincoln getting big, I knew he likes to grow that way - saw one my friend has yesterday - he prunes, but lets it get big and it is a good bloomer for him. I just bought the Mirandy from Lowes in a big pot last weekend......haven't planted it yet, but it looks like it will really be a healthy bush. From what has been said, I think I will plant all these in an area that gets sun all day until about 2 or 3pm, then my horse barn will shade them. I am interested in growing all these and comparing them - plan to put them in the same area and intersperse with white euphorbia, white marigolds with some blue salvia [my son is in the Navy, and have a stone with the Navy insignia on it I will put in the middle of the semi-circle of these roses for a patriotic theme].
Judith
I,m not the expert that so many of you are and I don't have many to choose from; but my favorite is Mardi Gras. It isn't supposed to be hardy here, but this will be the fourth year and it appears to have come through this brutal winter. It's a mixture of rose, yellow, and orange. It has such a long bloom period and stands about 4 to 5 feet tall. It has heavy bloom for 2 to 3 weeks and then take a rest period. Then it starts all over again. This goes on all summer. It was getting ready for another bloom period last Oct and it had over 70 buds and flowers on it when frost finally came. Nothing else really compares to it.
I happen to live in Central Alabama, so I will try to tell you my favorite climbers and I have had about 30 in the past few years, perhaps more if some of the tea/noisettes are climbers. I love New Dawn (may repeat, may not if reverts to its Dr Van Fleet self), Crepuscule (reliable repeat), American Pillar (once bloomer), Mermaid (monster, repeat), Reve d'Or (reliable repeat), Devoniensis (reliable repeat), Juane Desprez (reliable repeat and wonderful smell). There are many others, but these are my favorites. Also don't forget Alberic Barbier if you have room and patience with an impatient monster that is lovely and hard to beat once a year in any tree that your neighbor does not covet because I am paying $100 this year to save a couple of my neighbor trees from this one and Devoniensis. Had to pay landscape guy to cut them out of their trees. ;-) Nothing prettier in spring than to see your roses climbing up in trees and making a beautiful nuisance of themselves.
Hi lilamy,
I'm in North Alabama...about 50 miles north of B'ham. It's been a long time since I grew New Dawn...it wasn't a good repeater for me, but was in too much shade which I'm sure contributed to that. It's a very thorny rose for a climber, too. I have its offspring, Blossomtime, now. It's almost as thorny, but a much better rose for me overall. I'm not growing it as an actual climber, though, so not sure how easily it can be trained to climb...it's marketed as a climber, but canes are fairly stiff on it. The climbing version of Clotilde Soupert or almost any of the noisettes would also be good choices here. Petals from the Past, just south of B'ham in Jemison, carries Blossomtime, Clotilde Soupert Cl, a good selection of noisettes and other climbers (they have a wider selection of roses than their website shows).
Blossomtime:
Clotilde Soupert (mine is the bush form, but Petals from the Past highly recommends the climber for our area, too)
Natchitoches Noisette
This post was edited by pat_bamaZ7 on Wed, Apr 2, 14 at 15:24
Here in Sunset 23 'Rozanne' is best in a lot of sun. In morning sun/afternoon shade not so good--sparse of leaf and bloom. In mostly shade, it gives up.
HOWEVER, the first year, the plant can struggle with hot days in summer and needs extra water. After it establishes it seems to take hot days just fine, and blooms away. Farther away from the coast probably a little more shade, in Sunset 24 probably all day sun is best.
Oh yes, lavender blue clematis, great idea. I'm going to add a 'Perle d'Azur' to my climbing Iceberg. That will screech some brakes.
If I have significant losses I might buy a few new ones but I have a lot of potted ones that I can put in the ground to fill spots. So I don't really have to buy more. If I do decide to buy some it might not be until next season since there isn't a big choice locally. I can pick and choose online for next year.
I think that I will be more conscientious of finding out how well a rose handles temperature extremes. That has always been important but now it will be a top consideration. I don't think that this was the coldest winter on record for my area but it was cold enough and I expect that sooner or later we'll see another winter this cold again. I know that summer heat and humidity can be brutal, also and have lost more roses from that than I have from the cold. I have no problem choosing the tried and true Southern antiques. Most of them will came back eventually and will still be able to handle the heat. Some of the Buck roses do well for me, too. Most of the roses that I think I may have lost are relatively modern. I will have a "check twice and plant once" policy with them.
So, would you all say that Awakening is every bit as vigorous as New Dawn? I had the latter, and it was a good rose, but I had it in the wrong spot,in a very central area of my garden, on a path, with no real rigorous support, and it was a nightmare to prune. I moved it, but didn't keep up with the watering enough (it was a huge, mature plant, and I moved it too late in the season really). I want to replace it, but this time, put it in a more appropriate spot! I'd also like to get Awakening, but if it's habit is exactly like that of ND,I must choose it's spot with care...
Save that Peace! A lot of people say that it has changed over time and is not the rose it once was because of over cloning, merely a pale imitation. I had a Double Delight that was my Mom's. I thought it was dead one spring. It had no new growth on it. 5 or 6 weeks later when I went to dig it out to plant the replacement I had bought it had one lowly sprout on it so I potted it up. It's now twice the size of the replacement DD! They can and do come back.
Years ago I had a Midas Touch and Spice Twice that weren't doing much where they were planted. My DH dug them up and put the roots in a bucket of water for what I think was well over a month, then planted them in a different spot, they both thrived after being transplanted.
I just received a plant from David Austin--moistened plant wrapped loosely several times in a somewhat heavy plastic. The instructions were to not soak the plant. Leave it wrapped in plastic in a place where it wouldn't freeze (the garage, in my case) and check occasionally to see that it is still moist. It recommended planting the rose fairly soon--though I've forgotten if that was within a few hours or a few days.
However, most of the other places I've ordered from in the past have said to soak the plant at least overnight to several days or a week--which is what I usually do. However, I can remember a couple times in the past--for one reason or another--having to leave the rose soaking for nearly a month. I planted those plants and they grew, but they never were the strongest plants--kinda weakly. I probably should have been more careful about changing the water (and/or adding a drop of bleach) if I had to keep them soaking that long.
My advice: try to plant the rose within a couple day, or at least no longer than a week, if at all possible, but if life interferes (or Mother Nature decides to send a rip-roaring storm for a couple weeks), don't panic--the roses will probably survive even if they have to soak for several weeks.
I only soak up to the graft, but I have sometimes sprayed the top canes so they wouldn't dry out too badly.
Kate
I really appreciate the responses and see that I am not alone in making my garden a priority. Subk3, I am very fortunate to have my home right now on the angle you mention. It is a century home and I don't know if it was put on this angle on purpose or not but like you mention, there is no really deep dark north side to the house. Thanks for the encouragement folks. I see that I will be able to grow roses probably on any property as long as there is room.
We started out looking for land on which to plant. Moved from a small cramped HOA run golf community to acreage!
You might change your mind as you go. It got so we wouldn't even look at anything less than an acre. We went from a mandatory one story to a two story (keep us in shape in retirement). Then we went from flat land to an extreme rocky slope on a hillside with amazing views.
We have many windows, but none facing south. Not much grows on our north side because a two story home casts lots of shade.
There is plenty of room in full sun to plant on this property, and we are tackling a huge job, but it's a lot of fun! We have planted about 7 varieties of roses, and when we pruned, we put cuttings in the ground, and two have peeked up today. Those roses will be planted at the ends of our small vineyard.
Your zone limits what you can plant, but I wish you luck in finding the perfect home with plenty of room to garden.
Suzi
I did watch it but didn't think it at all fit my situation. That was a rose with very long laterals and not much of a bush. Mine is already well formed. I just was afraid it was too late to prune it. But I went ahead and shaped it up today and will post pictues when it blooms. Lots of leaves have come out even though we had 22 degrees on Wednesday. Its supposed to be almost 80 here this week. Go figure.
You have to be careful pushing plants in the spring. While the horrific spring freezes aren't really part of our experience, a big part of that is because spring moves slowly in this part of the world. So when the thermometer plummets in late April, instead of screaming about death and destruction, there isn't much out there yet to die.
The best way I've heard to try and game the system is to apply slow release *organic* fertilizer early. When the soil and plants wake up, it will start working. By an amazing coincidence, this is the same time that the plants will be able to make use of the fertilizer. Then, when they are actively growing in May, the regular fast acting fertilizing can start.
The biggest factor I've found in how well they are going to grow is heat. Without that, there isn't a lot you can do. That is the real gating factor. Not food, not water, but heat.
The only time I would use a fast nitrogen is if I was having a big party in my yard or a wedding or something. Then I would use Miracle Grow for roses. BUT it's been my experience that it comes with a price. One gets alot of top growth and the roses get so leggy they fall over. I only use that if I'm so impatient I can't stand it. Otherwise..good organic soil and fish fertilizer is my favorite.
It isn't the fault of the nursery, some plants just do this. I have a love song that I am dealing witht the same issue on. It threw up a sucker last summer I didn't notice until this spring when it threw up several more. Thankfully it appears I avoided any permanent damage.
Thanks for the update. Let us know what happens!