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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

About 4-5 years ago I had trouble with our one neighbor to the point I installed a small hidden camera in our backyard...
I caught our neighbor on video tape purposely spraying our plants and a small tree with weed poison.
I confronted her and told her I had solid proof and if it happened again the law would be called in...
I never told her about our hidden camera.
Bad things stopped happening and she doesn't bother us any more...

    Bookmark   September 29, 2013 at 6:32PM
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kittymoonbeam

Lazy mow guys blow weedy lawn clippings over to my flowerbed every week. I just hate that. I go out and stand there watering when they are there now and it's not so bad as it was. Tell your mow crew to be sure not to blow anything over there. I don't excuse his chemical attack on your plant. I think he should make that right. Someone put weed concentrate on some trees that someone planted and grew up to block an ocean view near Los Angeles. I think this goes on everywhere.

    Bookmark   September 29, 2013 at 8:46PM
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zaphod42

Okay, used a conversion tool online.

1 cu ft = 7.4 gal
3 cu ft = 22.4 gal

22.4 gall seems a bit excessive, unless I'm way off. It is large. Maybe I need to find something in between? Would a 15 gal work for a long term potting?

    Bookmark   September 29, 2013 at 2:35PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Bands do better potted up gradually but once they're a couple of years old bigger will be better. Since those big ones are on sale you might want to grab them now and save them for when your roses mature. In the mean time I would just get some inexpensive nursery type pots to grow them up in.

    Bookmark   September 29, 2013 at 6:37PM
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wirosarian_z4b_WI

Because your garden environment is not sterile, there will be a multitude of different microbes entering & inhabiting it. Some will be disease causing, some beneficial & others will be neutral to your plants.

    Bookmark   September 29, 2013 at 4:48PM
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roseseek

Definitely. Unless there are symptoms off illness or other "dis eases", don't worry about them. Kim

    Bookmark   September 29, 2013 at 5:55PM
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growing_rene2

I couldn't agree with him more. I hope to be an explorer and am not-so-patiently awaiting my own hips, one of which is turning orange and looking quite tempting. :)

    Bookmark   September 27, 2013 at 6:56PM
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jaxondel

A VERY interesting history of mid-20th century of rose hybridizers. The final 2 sentences are most intriguing -- would REALLY like to read more about Morey's work and findings relative to those parallel crosses.

    Bookmark   September 29, 2013 at 2:35PM
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zaphod42

I've got both Quietness and Honesweet on order for next spring. Had a posting about Honeysweet a bit ago as I was asking about overall attributes.

Predfern (Chicago z5) stated, "Honeysweet blooms her heart out for me. Not much fragrance though. Color looks like an explosion in a lipstick factory." Everyone else seemed happy with disease resistance though no other comments on fragrance.

    Bookmark   September 29, 2013 at 12:12PM
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monarda_gw

I just got Prairie Harvest as a present for a friend's weekend garden. Prairie Harvest is reputedly "moderately fragrant". Perhaps that means slightly. Anyway, I hope it is hardy and has has at least some fragrance. It does look very fetching. I was sold on it by attached link below.

Here is a link that might be useful: rave for

    Bookmark   September 29, 2013 at 2:06PM
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mad_gallica(zone 5 - eastern New York)

Leaving them on the cement is usually fine. Since eventually most roses go in fairly large pots, lifting them has its own issues.

They should stay out long enough that they get the idea winter is here. Usually, I end up hauling them in and out at least once since we often get a cold snap around the middle to end of October. There are a couple of nights below freezing, then things warm up again. I pay a lot more attention to when they come out in the spring, but I think the fall routine is something like they go in the garage for temperatures below around 30 (freezing is not the trigger point at all) They go in for good if temperatures are going to be in the low 20 for at least a week.

    Bookmark   September 29, 2013 at 10:54AM
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seil zone 6b MI

I have mine on wheeled pot trolleys to make them easier to move around and I just leave them on those to winterize them. I don't like putting mine on the cement because in my opinion the cement pulls moisture from the pots and dries them out too much. They need to have moisture all winter even though they are dormant.

In the past I used to start winterizing around Halloween. Lately, however, it's been warm way past that time and I've had blooms as late as Thanksgiving. For a few years we winterized on Thanksgiving weekend but last year we didn't until the second week of December. Not sure is it's climate change but it has been getting later before they go dormant.

I really can't give you an estimate of when it would be right for your area. You have to play it by ear and watch the weather. You'll be able to tell when they've stopped all signs of growth. Usually that takes at least a couple of hard freezes with temps dipping into the mid 20s. The leaves will start to look dried up and shriveled and if you have any tender new growth it will look frost bitten and wilted.

    Bookmark   September 29, 2013 at 11:15AM
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dragoonsers(10/11 Coastal)

I'm not gonna give up susan. Still hanging in like a stubborn child!

Kate I grew my roses in the ground. They grew well the first year but then they would stunt. Problem turned out to be tree roots (I have huge trees everywhere) and they weren't letting anything flourish, from lemons to papayas to roses. So everything went into pots!

The whitish stuff are dead scale insects. Just gotta wipe em off!

    Bookmark   September 29, 2013 at 3:43AM
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kittymoonbeam

Your roses had a tough time but I think you will be a better gardener after all this is sorted out. Minis root really well off the canes, so I would plant them deeper and see if you can get them to make new roots higher up. I do this with most of my bigger roses anyway. I keep planting them a little deeper in a bigger pot and hopefully, they are making roots just under the soil each time. Trees will stunt roses. You are right about that. Can you make some shade fall on the pots like putting the pot in a larger pot with some bark between or putting some low plants in front to provide some shade? Just in case the hot weather comes back. For right now help your roses to stop dying and then later work on regrowing them into full foliaged plants. I would keep the flowerbuds picked off for now.

    Bookmark   September 29, 2013 at 10:22AM
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bethnorcal9

Jax, that would be interesting if they did have CHANTRE instead! Looks like a lovely rose from the photos on HMF You guys who bought it will have to keep us all posted as to what the blooms end up looking like!

Here's a shot of my NANTUCKET

    Bookmark   September 29, 2013 at 1:30AM
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jaxondel

Palatine has always promoted Kordes roses, but they're not making any association between Kordes and the rose they're offering as 'Nantucket'. In their online catalog, Palatine identifies Kern as the "breeder". Kern was the Ohio nurseryman who discovered the sport.

Palatine's description of the color blend sure doesn't match the photos or support some of the comments that have been posted here.

    Bookmark   September 29, 2013 at 9:05AM
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seil zone 6b MI

Your welcome and thank you for the update on things are going for you. We'd love to see some pictures too!

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 5:16PM
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kittymoonbeam

come back soon. We love to hear about the success as well.

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 9:09PM
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leezen4u

I am neutral in this discussion (I like both grafted and own root). I am not trying to be right in this discussion just offering an opinion. My comments are all based on my personal experience only. The plants that (seem to be) fuller (for me) own root are icebergs (pink and white), Frederic Mistral and Livin' Easy. I also have own root plants that I am comparing to grafted plants at the South Coast Botanical Gardens.

My apologies to anyone upset by my comments. They are my personal opinions based on my own personal observation and I am not stating them as facts.

This is an interesting discussion, thanks for sharing your experiences

Lee

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 2:33PM
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

That's interesting about your Frederic Mistral, Lee, because I have an enormous, fat, Fred that's grafted on Huey. It's so wide and thick we can't get by on the grass path around it, and have to stomp through a flower bed to avoid smashing into Fred. I think this rose would be thick if it were grafted on petunia roots! Ar least around here. Diane

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 6:35PM
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nanito(5)

Thank you so much Jackie! It was you who first suggested a white sport of MCT. I am so happy now, after more than 5 years I could finally name this old HT!.

Moreover, I found another plant of AD just one block away from that old house and I am planning to get some cuttings in a few months. Once I make some plants on its own roots I can send you some cuttings, if you are interested.

Greetings from BA! :)

Mariano

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 3:25PM
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jacqueline9CA

That would be great, except that I do not think it is legal to import plant material without all sorts of licenses, and quaranteens, etc. Also the State of California has even more stringent rules than the US does (to protect the agricultural crops).

Between my neighbor and I, we have 5 plants of MCT which were rooted from a 70-80 year old plant in her garden, so we will just have to keep an eye on all of them, and hope that one of them throws off this sport. Not very likely, but a fun thing to watch for.

Jackie

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 5:59PM
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seil zone 6b MI

The two that come to my mind are Voluptuous and Electron.

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 5:06PM
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nanito(5)

Thanks for your reply Seil. Anyway, I grow "Electron" and it has more rounded petals. And "Voluptuous" seems too modern. This rose has been growing there for more than 30 years...

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 5:29PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

But keep in mind -- it's not because they're old roses that they take longer to mature. It's because they are on their own roots, rather than on 3-year-old rootstock.

Jeri

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 12:06PM
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sara_ann-z6bok

Thank You for reminding me, Jeri - I will keep that in mind!

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 3:30PM
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sunflowersrus222(7a Pa)

I have the peach Drift rose and love it. I planted mine mid July I think it was or early August and its been full of blooms ever since. Its also doubled in size since I've planted it. I bought a red drift a few weeks ago and its not in as sunny a spot as the peach so its not looking as good as the peach. The blooms are much smaller on the red than the peach. I mean super tiny but cute. Since I planted the red later than the peach I didn't expect the red to be the same size as the peach. They are both much bigger than they were when I planted them. So far no sign of any disease. No bug damage and no BS. My regular roses are all dealing with BS problems and I do have to spray them. I've never sprayed my drift roses nor have I used any fertilizers and they look a lot healthier than any other rose in my garden.

Next year I plan on buying a few more Drift roses in different colors. I really like the one called popcorn drift. Its white with some yellow and does look like a partially popped kernel of corn.

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 12:09PM
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bart_2010(8/9 Italy)

Thank you for thinking about my problem, Kate; that is so nice! For me,the top version (the one in the midst of the text of your post) of the link did work; the lower one at the bottom ("here is a link that might be useful") did not work... bart

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 6:16AM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Hi Bart--have you notified technical help (Tamora) that you are having trouble with the links in the box under the message box? Be as specific as you can so they have some idea what they are looking for. Tamora usually answers fairly quickly and politely to at least let you know what is wrong or that they are working on it.

Good luck.

Kate

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 10:46AM
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