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dragoonsers(10/11 Coastal)

I'm not gonna give up susan. Still hanging in like a stubborn child!

Kate I grew my roses in the ground. They grew well the first year but then they would stunt. Problem turned out to be tree roots (I have huge trees everywhere) and they weren't letting anything flourish, from lemons to papayas to roses. So everything went into pots!

The whitish stuff are dead scale insects. Just gotta wipe em off!

    Bookmark   September 29, 2013 at 3:43AM
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kittymoonbeam

Your roses had a tough time but I think you will be a better gardener after all this is sorted out. Minis root really well off the canes, so I would plant them deeper and see if you can get them to make new roots higher up. I do this with most of my bigger roses anyway. I keep planting them a little deeper in a bigger pot and hopefully, they are making roots just under the soil each time. Trees will stunt roses. You are right about that. Can you make some shade fall on the pots like putting the pot in a larger pot with some bark between or putting some low plants in front to provide some shade? Just in case the hot weather comes back. For right now help your roses to stop dying and then later work on regrowing them into full foliaged plants. I would keep the flowerbuds picked off for now.

    Bookmark   September 29, 2013 at 10:22AM
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bethnorcal9

Jax, that would be interesting if they did have CHANTRE instead! Looks like a lovely rose from the photos on HMF You guys who bought it will have to keep us all posted as to what the blooms end up looking like!

Here's a shot of my NANTUCKET

    Bookmark   September 29, 2013 at 1:30AM
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jaxondel

Palatine has always promoted Kordes roses, but they're not making any association between Kordes and the rose they're offering as 'Nantucket'. In their online catalog, Palatine identifies Kern as the "breeder". Kern was the Ohio nurseryman who discovered the sport.

Palatine's description of the color blend sure doesn't match the photos or support some of the comments that have been posted here.

    Bookmark   September 29, 2013 at 9:05AM
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seil zone 6b MI

Your welcome and thank you for the update on things are going for you. We'd love to see some pictures too!

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 5:16PM
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kittymoonbeam

come back soon. We love to hear about the success as well.

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 9:09PM
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leezen4u

I am neutral in this discussion (I like both grafted and own root). I am not trying to be right in this discussion just offering an opinion. My comments are all based on my personal experience only. The plants that (seem to be) fuller (for me) own root are icebergs (pink and white), Frederic Mistral and Livin' Easy. I also have own root plants that I am comparing to grafted plants at the South Coast Botanical Gardens.

My apologies to anyone upset by my comments. They are my personal opinions based on my own personal observation and I am not stating them as facts.

This is an interesting discussion, thanks for sharing your experiences

Lee

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 2:33PM
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

That's interesting about your Frederic Mistral, Lee, because I have an enormous, fat, Fred that's grafted on Huey. It's so wide and thick we can't get by on the grass path around it, and have to stomp through a flower bed to avoid smashing into Fred. I think this rose would be thick if it were grafted on petunia roots! Ar least around here. Diane

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 6:35PM
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nanito(5)

Thank you so much Jackie! It was you who first suggested a white sport of MCT. I am so happy now, after more than 5 years I could finally name this old HT!.

Moreover, I found another plant of AD just one block away from that old house and I am planning to get some cuttings in a few months. Once I make some plants on its own roots I can send you some cuttings, if you are interested.

Greetings from BA! :)

Mariano

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 3:25PM
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jacqueline9CA

That would be great, except that I do not think it is legal to import plant material without all sorts of licenses, and quaranteens, etc. Also the State of California has even more stringent rules than the US does (to protect the agricultural crops).

Between my neighbor and I, we have 5 plants of MCT which were rooted from a 70-80 year old plant in her garden, so we will just have to keep an eye on all of them, and hope that one of them throws off this sport. Not very likely, but a fun thing to watch for.

Jackie

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 5:59PM
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seil zone 6b MI

The two that come to my mind are Voluptuous and Electron.

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 5:06PM
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nanito(5)

Thanks for your reply Seil. Anyway, I grow "Electron" and it has more rounded petals. And "Voluptuous" seems too modern. This rose has been growing there for more than 30 years...

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 5:29PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

But keep in mind -- it's not because they're old roses that they take longer to mature. It's because they are on their own roots, rather than on 3-year-old rootstock.

Jeri

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 12:06PM
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sara_ann-z6bok

Thank You for reminding me, Jeri - I will keep that in mind!

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 3:30PM
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sunflowersrus222(7a Pa)

I have the peach Drift rose and love it. I planted mine mid July I think it was or early August and its been full of blooms ever since. Its also doubled in size since I've planted it. I bought a red drift a few weeks ago and its not in as sunny a spot as the peach so its not looking as good as the peach. The blooms are much smaller on the red than the peach. I mean super tiny but cute. Since I planted the red later than the peach I didn't expect the red to be the same size as the peach. They are both much bigger than they were when I planted them. So far no sign of any disease. No bug damage and no BS. My regular roses are all dealing with BS problems and I do have to spray them. I've never sprayed my drift roses nor have I used any fertilizers and they look a lot healthier than any other rose in my garden.

Next year I plan on buying a few more Drift roses in different colors. I really like the one called popcorn drift. Its white with some yellow and does look like a partially popped kernel of corn.

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 12:09PM
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bart_2010(8/9 Italy)

Thank you for thinking about my problem, Kate; that is so nice! For me,the top version (the one in the midst of the text of your post) of the link did work; the lower one at the bottom ("here is a link that might be useful") did not work... bart

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 6:16AM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Hi Bart--have you notified technical help (Tamora) that you are having trouble with the links in the box under the message box? Be as specific as you can so they have some idea what they are looking for. Tamora usually answers fairly quickly and politely to at least let you know what is wrong or that they are working on it.

Good luck.

Kate

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 10:46AM
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marcindy(z5b, Indianapolis, IN)

Thanks everyone for chiming in. I will wait until spring and plant my new roses then. Official reason is that it's safer for the roses, the real reason is that I am not nearly at a point where I can plant them... it's called procrastination...lol

Next spring...:-)

Thanks again folks!!

    Bookmark   September 26, 2013 at 7:57PM
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elks(US5 Can6)

Many of my plantings are of cuttings. When I expect frost, they are covered with 2 L pop bottles. In late winter, the bottle caps are removed during the day. Some years, I keep the cuttings in pots, also with pop bottles over them, and overwinter them under oak leaves along the foundation of my house to, as Mad Gallica says, plant roses with larger root systems. Both fall planting of the little ones, and keeping them in pots over winter, seems to work equally well. Yellow roses are the trickiest to keep alive.

Steve

    Bookmark   September 28, 2013 at 7:11AM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

Susan, no. In my garden, cinnamon sticks don't attract anything. Nor, in my experience, have they done any harm.

Jeri

    Bookmark   September 26, 2013 at 11:51PM
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susan4952(5)

Good, thanks. Will try it next spring.

    Bookmark   September 27, 2013 at 8:55PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Black pots should be spray-painted a light color.

    Bookmark   September 27, 2013 at 4:36PM
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floridarosez9

Michael, you are spot-on as usual. I put a small amount in all my pots, and everything seems to thrive in it.

    Bookmark   September 27, 2013 at 6:46PM
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kittymoonbeam

Does anyone know if coffee grounds work? Jerry Baker wrote about emptying the pencil sharpener into the potting mix to add fine cedar shavings to keep bugs away.

    Bookmark   September 27, 2013 at 4:02PM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

This guy has an interesting approach...lol

Here is a link that might be useful: Getting rid of fungus gnats

    Bookmark   September 27, 2013 at 4:34PM
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Can Port Sunlight be grown in a pot?Can I grow Port Sunlight in a pot?
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Anything can be grown in a pot. The pot just has to be the right size, and in the case of zone 5, winter protection is needed. The usual recommendation for roses is a pot at least 20" in diameter for a non-baby rose. If it proves to needs more space than 20", at that point you get a bigger pot.

    Bookmark   September 27, 2013 at 3:45PM
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racin_rose

I revived this because I was just outside cutting a gorgeous bloom from Voodoo to bring in the house, and thinking about how much I appreciate that rose...
It has a very leafy-shrubby habit for a HT, and is a bloom machine, at least for me. It gets a little PM but no BS/cercospora/anything else, however I'm 20 minutes from the water so roses have to be genetic freaks to NOT get PM here.

It has a great fragrance and vase life too...if you haven't thought of it, I'd highly recommend it.

    Bookmark   September 27, 2013 at 4:55AM
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alameda/zone 8

I adore my Honeysweet. Most unusual color, no blackspot for me, blooms lots. Its a Buck rose and tough. One of my favorite apricots is the Austin Carding Mill. I understand Chamblees will be carrying that soon own root - I plan to get several. I adore Fragrant Apricot [Roses Unlimited]. I had Belle Epoque a while back but wasn't that crazy about the color. When it died, I wasn't interested in replacing it, but that was just my opinion - you might love it. I adore apricots and love the pure, clear color such as Carding Mill, Tamora, Just Joey. If I ever ran across a good plant of Just Joey I would get it - have seen photos of huge blooms, but understand the bush is gangly. The blooms would make up for it........

    Bookmark   September 27, 2013 at 11:22AM
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