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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

That kind of mottling indicates that the leaves are just dying without being killed by fungus or infected by virus. You can expect some old leaves to die like that normally, but not that many. I think it is probably overwatering. You should repot into a 16" pot, remove any sour soil and rotted roots, and LOSE THE GRAVEL LAYER. You will have to trust me on this, but it is established beyond doubt that "drainage layers" make drainage worse. They create a saturated layer in the potting soil just above.

Then water less often than you have been. The sign of underwatering would be that the plant stops growing and shoots go "blind" without flowering.

    Bookmark   September 26, 2013 at 9:55AM
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Dunc2(9a)

Great information. Thanks to all. I'll re-pot and attempt to stabilize. My thumb is pretty green but I'm new to roses so I appreciate the education.

    Bookmark   September 26, 2013 at 10:37AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Dormant: not growing. The new growth will be burnt--you will prune that off in spring. Mature leaves of repeat-blooming roses will not drop in fall but will be injured by temperatures around 10 or 15, This is not a true deciduous dormancy; the roses will grow out whenever temperatures average above 40 for a while.

Terra cotta pots may break when exposed to temperatures below 20 for some hours because the rootball expands when frozen. It may be OK under a pile of leaves.

Again, you should take the rose outside and grow it normally for the next month or so.

    Bookmark   September 25, 2013 at 10:53AM
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Suzy11

Ok.you gave great info thank you very much! You helped a lot? I just had a crash course in roses. :)

Ps. Grow lights are used in winter for citrus. I have not used one.

    Bookmark   September 25, 2013 at 4:29PM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

WoW! Roses grow huge in your climate! Great pics! :)

    Bookmark   September 25, 2013 at 2:10PM
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

I love these photos of your giants, kitty. I guess this time of year must be the "stretch" season, even up here. Many of my roses have gone nothing short of berserk in shooting up. Of course in Idaho, it will come to a dead stop when winter arrives. Diane

    Bookmark   September 25, 2013 at 3:24PM
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rw5252

I live in NE Ohio, the maple died due to drought

    Bookmark   September 25, 2013 at 12:39PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

In Ohio, I would definitely wait til spring. If you order bare roots, you can plant them in early April. If you order potted plants, you will have to wait until about the end of May (after last freeze date) to plant them.

That drought got a few of my special plants also! @#$%*!

Kate

    Bookmark   September 25, 2013 at 2:20PM
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jacqueline9CA

No - it turns out that any instructions that start with the phrase "you must..." are completely bogus - no one I know removes leaves, or dormant sprays here. If you had some sort of infestation like scale, then I might dormant spray, but not otherwise. There are endless "rules" about how you must do certain things, and all of them (except providing adequate water, sun, and food) have been debunked in the last 10 years.

I would just prune your HTs lightly, as you said, as they are babies. I feed my roses in Jan when I prune them with a time release fertilizer, because I am lazy. Others concoct all sorts of home made and/or expensive recipes - up to you. The only other thing I do which I do think is important is to mulch around the roses (making sure the mulch does not touch the base of the rose) 2-3 inches in the Spring, so that they can survive our hot & dry Summers.

Relax - see what works - no one is grading your paper!

Jackie

    Bookmark   September 25, 2013 at 1:07PM
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andreark

Perfect!!!

I use a good compost as a top dressing. It works great and looks fine. I do this twice a year. I probably don't have as many roses as you do (21) so I have time to feed them every month or so. I use Dr. Earth Rose Fertilizer.

Thank you so much for your clear and concise answer.

andrea

    Bookmark   September 25, 2013 at 1:42PM
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Joopster(5 (Chicago))

Thanks everybody. These are very helpful tips. I'm thinking many I should grow Port Sunlight on one side of the arch and
Crown Princess Margareta on the other side. This might work or this might look awkward since the flower size are different.

    Bookmark   September 25, 2013 at 9:43AM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Have you determined that Port Sunlight is a climber? I thought it was just a shrub, but I've never grown it, so I can't really say much about it from my own experience.

Kate

    Bookmark   September 25, 2013 at 12:45PM
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dove_song(WA State Z6b)

Our dear, dear, DeervsSteve, sooo very sorry, hon!!! The agony of it! :(

Johnny Cabot, re: "...Steve, what patience you have..."

I think Steve's long suffering patience is fortified with venison. ;)

And as to the long standing JB attacks on your beloved roses...my heart goes out to you, "big time". Stinkin' buggers!!! :(

This post was edited by dove_song on Tue, Sep 24, 13 at 16:49

    Bookmark   September 24, 2013 at 2:47PM
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avgusta_gw

Thank God, the hunting season has opened; that and only that may help. Invite the deer hunters to place their tent on your property , they will clear your area for several years ahead, till next deer strangers show up from somewhere else.

    Bookmark   September 25, 2013 at 7:59AM
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roseblush1(8a/Sunset 7)

My deer don't migrate.

I love this time of year, too, because I can stay outside longer than I can during the summer high temps. Of course, there are tons of fall chores to be done.

I still have some blooms in the garden and the leaves on the trees have not started turning, but I am thinking it is going to be a short fall and a long winter.

Smiles,
Lyn

    Bookmark   September 24, 2013 at 12:00AM
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

Thanks, lainey2. I'll pass your compliment on to my official garden photographer, granddaughter Clare. Diane

    Bookmark   September 24, 2013 at 10:43PM
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windeaux

An article by the Collin County, TX Extension Service. Thanks.

    Bookmark   September 24, 2013 at 8:14PM
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andreark

I've had that problem also....

andrea

    Bookmark   September 24, 2013 at 1:57PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Well, it worked for a bit but it's back to doing it again. I hate a sticky wicket!

    Bookmark   September 24, 2013 at 5:06PM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

It has happened to me twice.
What I do now is after I'm done writing my message I copy it so if it gets lost I can just paste it into a new post and off it goes... No rewriting a long message...lol

    Bookmark   September 23, 2013 at 3:54PM
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dove_song(WA State Z6b)

It's happened to me many times! Copying the message after I've written it, so if it gets lost I can just paste it, is also what I've been doing.

Copying this now. lol

This post was edited by dove_song on Tue, Sep 24, 13 at 13:51

    Bookmark   September 24, 2013 at 1:45PM
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kittymoonbeam

I would be too shy to ask the President to pass some salt. I wonder if anyone did. Although, people have said that President Regan was friendly and easy to talk to. From Roman times on, the salt was placed next to the most important person. The Romans paid wages in salt ( giving us our word salary ).

I love roses in wedding photos, etc. This recreation of a state dinner was so pretty. I should invite my roses to dinner more often. We always put up garden pictures but I like roses inside as well.

    Bookmark   September 23, 2013 at 8:59PM
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susan4952(5)

Beautiful

    Bookmark   September 23, 2013 at 10:24PM
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Shot me some deerThe buck has been a pain to shoot.
Posted by deervssteve(9) September 22, 2013
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

SCG. I see you checked the first listing of a Google search on deer population.

You have great day, too.

Diane

    Bookmark   September 23, 2013 at 7:35PM
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SouthCountryGuy Zone 4b-5 SE BC(Zone 4b-5 SE BC Canada)

No disrespect, but shouldn't have you searched before posting misleading facts? I also didn't need google, it was brought up in hunter education, as was the demise of buffalo. Your numbers are correct but, and but, there is a reason: the early advance of European hunters.

Sorry if the thread got hijacked. No offence intended just looking to keep the facts straight.

SCG

    Bookmark   September 23, 2013 at 7:51PM
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pat_bamaz7

I really donâÂÂt have much gardening space with morning sun only, so all my roses get either all day sun or afternoon sun. With the exception of some of the lavenders, most do very well in the hot sun here (our average summers are mid to upper nineties with very high humidity). I donâÂÂt grow any Austins, thoughâ¦I think a lot of them prefer some afternoon shade in my climate. . Fragrant Cloud and Dolly Parton are both exceptionally fragrant and seem to adore the heat and sun. Others that come to mind as very fragrant and very heat/sun tolerant in my garden are Julia Child (I keep mine pruned to about 5 X 4 and she doesn't seem to mind), White Licorice, Firefighter, Royal Amethyst, Double Delight and Perfume Delight. And hereâÂÂs Grand Dame thriving in all day sun. SheâÂÂs VERY fragrant (old rose scent) and has the old fashioned nodding bloom formâ¦she really is grand!

    Bookmark   September 23, 2013 at 4:32PM
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blocke19

I have a similar bed and those that do best in it are Frederic Mistral, Pope John Paul II, SDLM, McCartney rose and Golden Celebration. Frederic is now 6x6! and covered in blooms

    Bookmark   September 23, 2013 at 7:49PM
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andreark

These were much smaller than ants. And I also found a green worm.

These critters were all inside the buds. I have noticed lately that something is chewing on my bud. So I am sure that it wasn't just one bug.

Thanks for the answer,

andrea

    Bookmark   September 23, 2013 at 11:18AM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

Most of the time when I deadhead the Rose Slugs still in the bloom and I just discard it into the trash.
That's why I never worried much about ones in blooms...

    Bookmark   September 23, 2013 at 3:19PM
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