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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Look for an ice melter with only calcium chloride. Sodium salts are harmful to plants, more so in gardens with heavy soils and low rainfall. Chlorides are not helpful, but all brands I have seen have chloride. There is no sign of salt poisoning in the images, however.

I am still confused by the reddish veins, but yellowing of the new growth without distortion of growth patterns is usually iron deficiency. It can be caused by pH over 7 or cold, wet soil. Excessive phosphate fertilizer can contribute.

It is not unusual for some plants to be chlorotic and others not. Multiflora rootstock and own-roots of some varieties have more trouble garnering iron than Dr. Huey rootstock. There can be local variation in pH.

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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

I see what you mean now about the reddish veins Michael...

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sara_ann-z6bok

James - That is beautiful! Thanks for sharing.

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boncrow66

OGrose,your zeffie is beautiful and so is yours James. I cant wait for mine to bloom. Right now its so small I cant believe its going to get as big as yours are in the pictures.

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mendocino_rose(z8 N CA.)

One of the definitions of a rambler is no or little rebloom. It's a loose term for a lot of different roses. I'm told to call New Dawn a large flowered climber and things like Super Dorothy a climbing polyantha. So your Blushing Lucy survived the winter well? It would seem then that you aren't too badly limited as to what climbers you can grow. There are some ramblers bred for cold climes. Polar Star is one. I think the Geschwend roses were intended for cold.

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summersrhythm_z6a

Polar Star and Geschwend are very pretty, thanks for mentioning them. Yes, Blushing Lucy is doing very well here, I have two of them, the one wrapping around the porch(facing North) has very little (almost none) winter damage, the other one 30' away got eaten by rabbits , I moved the root to a sunny spot facing west two months ago, will see how well it blooms next Spring (blooms on old wood). I ordered Bloosomtime and Awaking to grow with my three New Dawns , to keep the colors going; and Renae will be growing with a Blushing Lucy. I want to have blooms around the porch all the time. but I love Blushing Lucy too (even she is a once bloomer for my location), so I am going to twist them together! No big deal! :-)
I just purchased a Cl America to twist with Cecile Brunner Cl- another once bloomer for me. Cecile Brunner Cl doesn't grow tall in this iceland.
You're right, New Dawns is a big climber, not a rambler, I tried to keep the title short, so upgraded it to a rambler for a short time :-)

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canadian_rose(zone 3a)

Stripey definitely isn't Rock & Roll.

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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9

Very nice! The large pink one also caught my eye, although that doesn't look like Queen Elizabeth to me. I suppose the striped one could also be Julio Iglesias.

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seil zone 6b MI

That's a great article. Nice to see someone recommending more than just KOs for a change. I like that they broke them into categories from beginner to advanced too.

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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

I wouldn't mind trying 2 paint the town roses out front.
Wonder who sells them? Any idea anyone?

Besides Naturehills or the Tree Farm...

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seil zone 6b MI

Got back to the nursery today and picked up Valencia and Veterans' Honor! I think I'm going to leave it at that for now and order some in the fall for next spring.

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buford(7 NE GA)

ARS Featured Sugar Moon on it's facebook page. WOW. I've seen it in person and it is that white and smells delicious.

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campv 8b AZ

I think it is a wonderful rose.

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chris_in_wv

I do like the ruffled petal edges and the scent is nice.

Thanks, everyone!

Chris

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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

How deep is the horse manure? If they are growing in mostly manure instead of soil, that's a pretty unnatural situation.

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kentstar(5b, NE Ohio)

I got the horse manure last spring 2013 from a coworkers farm and she said it had been piled up and left all winter long before I got a hold of it. I used it in my compost bin to compost even more over last summer and just laid the compost on top of the soil as a top dressing.
I will try to get a close up of a leaf if I can, it's raining right now.

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seil zone 6b MI

That's sounds fine, Nick. You just want to be careful with the fertilizer when you first plant roses so you don't burn the roots. Besides, when you first plant them it takes them a bit to settle in and start to take up nutrients anyway. Seeing new growth start on top will tell you that roots are ready to feed more top growth so you can go ahead and start to fertilize.

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nickjoseph(5 Milwaukee, WI)

seil,
Well hopefully I did not burn the roots cuz like I said, after we dug the hole, I added a tablespoon of the Roses Miracle Grow to the hole. Then I watered the hole so the rose miracle grow would get wet & disperse into the soil. Then added the bush & covered & watered again.

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Joe Moose, Zone 9A

*chuckles* No worries. I already cried into a pillow. :P

Now, I think, the question is what can be done with it right now? *entertains thoughts of putting Tuscany in the freezer for a few weeks during the winter months* XD

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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Moose, try the Propagation and Exchange Forum linked above. Or maybe somebody here will email you an offer. Old Tea or China roses would be good for you.

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jacqueline9CA

mad_gallica is correct. DO NOT dig up your rose and replant it. Just tie it to the trellis. If there are any canes of any appreciable length, gently tie them as horizontally as you can.

Jackie

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shellfleur(z7a Long Island, NY)

I agree, your roses will sort themselves out and the blooms will ultimately face toward sunlight rather than toward the wall. I have an amusing example of such a thing. Years ago when my husband and I first bought our house, he planted a huge row of giant sunflowers against our fence. We were so excited for them to bloom. Well, they bloomed alright...but they all faced toward our neighbor's yard and away from ours. That was the direction of the sun. Lesson learned! lol
PS: our neighbors loved them.

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professorroush(6A)

It may be beneficial and eating aphids. It looks an awful lot like a ladybug larva.

Here is a link that might be useful: ladybug larva article.

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charleney(8a PNW)

okay prof. that is what I also think. Leave him alone. They do look evil, but they are one of the good guys. And that is why you may be seeing all the aphid corpses around!

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johnstarnes(Zone 9)

I can find VERY few pics of Peter Frank's Hulthemias. Pics of Jim Sproul's make me drool, especially his new seedlings derived from "Darlowe's Enigma".

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pat_bamaz7

This is my third year with Ketchup & Mustard. My DH is very supportive of my gardening, but really doesnâÂÂt get too excited about anything other than our vegetables. Ketchup & Mustard is one of only two roses heâÂÂs ever picked out and requested that I plant. He loves this rose, so it stays in my garden. Otherwise, I probably wouldn't grow it. ItâÂÂs a rather good rose except that it blackspots terribly here. IâÂÂm just not crazy about the blooms. I think itâÂÂs the contradiction of the harsh coloring verses the small frilly bloom form that doesnâÂÂt appeal to me. It is a prolific bloomer; the blooms last a long time and then self clean; the red never fades or burns in all day full sun here (the yellow does soften some as the blooms age); it stays short which is fairly uncommon for a rose here (mine is still under 4 ft in its third year and about as wide); the foliage is a bright, shiny green (when not covered in BS); no fragrance whatsoever to my nose; weak canes that droop badly in our stormy spring; the blooms will nod after a rain, but the petals themselves are very rain tolerant.

My camera doesn't capture the brightness of the tomato red & yellow very well, but here are a couple of pictures anyway:

I prefer the blooms when they are nodding after a rain:

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cecily(7 VA)

I've grown MT in coastal NC and two locations in VA: he is about 6x6 here with very little winter kill and zero blackspot. Repeat is about 30 days. He's bulletproof.

Haven't grown FD because of the BS reports.

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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Here they are both very good repeaters. Some mildew on MT when young. The main difference is size of the plant. Also place FD with some afternoon shade as the dark color of the flowers can blacken and toast in hot weather. Can't comment on BS.

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anntn6b(z6b TN)

That still has parts alive....so is worth a removal of winter dead parts to let the live parts fill in the voids.

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Cher(6 SW OH)

Thanks so much for your answers everyone. I kind of thought that but was thrown off by all those thorn clusters. Thanks again.
Cher

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