22,153 Garden Web Discussions | Roses

Hi everyone! New to this forum but everyone seems so knowledgeable. Feel free to chime in on this one. Welltraveled-I am in zone 5 mid mich also and am trying to grow the eden rose for the first time. It's my first rose so all of this is new to me. Do you do anything to help it winter? Cover or mulch over? Haven't planted it yet, debating on a spot. Does it spread out much and how much climbing do you get?

There is a Pink Eden Climber just being introduced, and a thread recently discussed it with the man who discovered Pink Eden (patent name is Margaret Mae, or something similar; named for his mother). I don't think he hybridized this rose, so it may have been a sport. It's on HMF with a few recent photos. It's being sold by Meilland, and they are starting European sales and on to Japan, I guess. Diane

Very true, Conserve SC is one brand, but it is the one with the higher concentration of Spinosad. Most other cheaper products are much weaker and less productive.

If brand A has 2% active ingredient, and brand B has 4%, the label for brand B will call for twice as much water per TB of product, so you end up with the same concentration of active ingredient in the tank.

My vote is Livin Easy. I have one and it looks very similar.

'Heaven on Earth' will bleach out to pink and then cream as it ages. The buds are globose before opening. Blooms are very large, blowsy, and nodding. It is usually very fragrant. Foliage is glossy like that. 'Livin Easy' is more colorfast.

Easy elegance Roses are great. I have Centennial which is a bit hard to find. All of their roses are own root and have a two year guarantee. The Centennial Rose went through this brutal New England winter with literally no damage, even under five feet of heavy snow and cold temps and over wintered in a pot sunk in the ground. It has a ton of buds already and the flowers are gorgeous. The only drawback is lack of scent. I bought several different bands from Northland Rosarium who seemed to have the best variety. Macy's Pride is another which gets rave reviews as do others in the line bred by Pim Limg. I purchased Music Box, Sweet Fragrance, Champagne Wishes and others from NR, they were adequate size for bands and very healthy. These are breeder photos of Sweet Fragrance and Centennial Rose.

Sharon

Marie Pavie is quite reliable and low care:

Heat will quicken the change from tan to lavender. I wouldn't worry about the color of koko loco just yet, because it is likely to behave differently according to weather.

James, how old is your plant? Are you actually sure they sent you the right thing?

As Ann says, it's possible to have an outbreak of downy mildew at a garden center in cool weather, when plants are crowded and sprinkled too much. But you say you don't see any dark spots or disease symptoms. If the plant started shedding within a week of planting, maybe it is just transplant shock.

Also, for no apparent reason, RU can develop a scattering of leaves mottled yellow and green and then dropping.

It does looks like it. I start dropping and leaves turn yellow but otherwise the canes looks healthy. The lady at the nursery noticed it too and didn't know why since this is the only variety that did that. Now that you mentioned it, it did start dropping a few leaves when I left it in the pot for 2 weeks and continued when I planted it. I will wait and see what happened. Thanks for the info.

Thanks, Nick! We are warmer than you because of the big lakes. I'm on the water and that effects my weather a lot. We've had some day in the 80s already and this week will be steady in the 70s. Not saying we don't get our ups and downs, we do, but I think we're still a tad warmer than WI.

Congrats! It's been a longer-than-usual wait for blooms this year in many parts of the country. I do feel for those growers who've had to wait so long.

Seil, Elle was first to bloom in my NJ garden as well. :-)

Does it go back to when there were no photographs, only text and that text was un-correctable....once you type something, it's there or you start over?

Apparently gardenweb was first registered on "Creation Date: 28-oct-1995"

http://www.whois.com/whois/gardenweb.com

The oldest message on the first web page saved is dated Jan 4, 1996 (at the bottom you have to do many "next 30 posts to reach the one below).

http://web.archive.org/web/19961205054355/http://gardenweb.com/forums/roses/nph-ind.cgi?n=781

I grow 23 Knock out rose trees in pots, they're doing well. You can alway grow KO rose trees in pots . :-)

With some deeper pruning when dead heading they should be fine. The pots will need to be BIG if you want to keep them in them for a long time. Use large pots with lots of drainage holes, no trays under them please, and a good quality potting soil and they should be fine.

The one I just ordered is La France Cl. Sara-Ann, Is yours a Climber?

Yea sorry, hybridized does sound much better lol. I just think that it's fascinating we've bred different roses to have traits of our liking. Some cultivars that we'd never find in the wild, and that would have a hard time existing in the wild on their own too. That thought and effort were put into the cultivar's creation to have specific characteristics, that's what I find most luring about them.

I've been on Garden Web for 15 years (dang, I'm old!) and during that time several schisms have occurred. If a group of rosarians chooses to take their secateurs and go elsewhere, then via con dios. I'm thankful that many of my rosy friends have chosen to stay and weather the occasional storms.

I have to say that thanks to this forum, I am much less reliant on chemicals than when I first started. I do almost all organic fertilizing, don't use insecticides (but I might have to because of a horrible thrip infestation). I do use fungicide. I have decided that judicious use of a chemical is not an awful thing if it is used correctly and of limited use. We have also switched our lawn care and pest control to organic methods.

Also, for me personally, I have completely switched my diet to a whole food diet. I have eliminated almost all processed foods from my diet. I don't eat grains of any type, although I just found some non-GMO popcorn that is fantastic. If we are thinking out our health and the health of the environment, think about the things you eat and how they are developed and grown. The use of herbicides on GMO crops is disturbing. I use herbicides, again, judiciously, but I sure as hell don't want to have it on my food. Now they have 2,4-D resistant crops. Lord help us.

So strange. I don't even get the slightest note of any fragrance. My Eden has more, me thinks. Here's just another example of doing research on a rose and having it not turn out as expected. And I understand differences of opinion, but I did see it at the Portland Rose Garden and it didn't have any fragrance there either. This was after I had purchased it and before it bloomed. I do like how it looks and so will give it a season or two, all the while trying to find another lavender worth trying. . .

My Oklahoma and New Zealand are like that. I don't understand why? They've been growing in pots here for over 3 years. This will be the 4th. Maybe this year they'll sprout fragrance. Who knows!

Carol