22,153 Garden Web Discussions | Roses
Thanks everyone. I guess I didn't prune it enough the first couple years-I just cut off the dead flowers and pruned down a few inches. I would never cut the entire top off, but I guess I will have to try and prune a few of the brances hard and see what happens. The rose tree is really hardy. I'm in the NW suburbs of Chicago and do nothing to it except throw some fertilizer down. It's been beautiful and blooms all summer.
REGARDLESS of where the graft is, and thank you SO much for the correction, i would prune as a regular rose at the top where you want to encourage new growth. If you have shoots off of the trunk, cut them down all the way to keep the standatrd form. Now i want one.
Almost all my roses are pink, with a few white and purple/red. I love old fashioned roses and most of the ones we can grow, come in these colors.
Pink roses are so pretty and they look great with lots of lavenders, purples, white, blues, and even clear red. I have some Jacob Kline bee balm, daisies and lavender with some pink roses and they are beautiful together :)
I agree with the others. Do a rose combination that suits your tastes. I am definitely into pinks. At least 40 of the many I grow are pinks. I have an all pink bed with Belinda's Dream,Madame Lombard and the magenta pink Pioneer rose Thomas Affleck.
Another pink bed has Belinda's Dream, Sharifa Asma and soon La France. Dusty miller is my accent in Summer and White Mums in Spring and Fall. Pink is gorgeous if you love it. Lots of us ladies certainly do. Never too much.....
Have you seen my post on the gauntlet I got? http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/roses/msg0222271330801.html?8
This New Zealand nursery has 2 pictures down the page which help. If they are too small hold down the Ctrl key while you tap the + key.
Here is a link that might be useful: pruning pics
I tend to trim my roses in a cone shape, so they fan out at the top. Definitely lop off growth that grows to the inside of the bush and those that cross over other canes. It opens up the inside of the bush and helps the rose grow up and out.
Josh
Henry, my roses in front get rose slugs every year. The tiny narrow green ones that rasp the leaves until they're big enuf to chew all the way thru and turn the leaf into lace.
Thanks for the reminder. I'll do a check when the rain, yipee, stops. Hope your garden getting up to the beauty of your old one.
The air waves between our brains must have been burning up. 'Intrigue' holds color well here also. And I love how the buds take a week to open. Well ......., I was going to suggest 'Granada' (similar colors to 'Chicago Peace' which I love) for that spot. Never mind.
I bought 'Don Juan' a week ago! I'll move the pot beside 'Intrigue' for a picture if the bloom coincides.
I have seen 'Ebb Tide' in the spring. I think it may combine well with 'Honey Dijon'. I know it looks good with 'Sharifa Asma'. Its a rather deader color than pics I'd seen at that time. After I read how it fades badly in heat decided not to use with 'Heritage'. Hoping 'Don Juan' may work.
Irisgal
I love Don Juan. It is a deep true red in my garden and a blooming machine!! I understand your fear with with Ebb Tide as I cancelled an order then planted Twilight Zone instead.
I did not think of Heritage to be placed near Don Juan. I owned a plant years ago and it did not fair well; could have been where I planted it. It is definitely worth considering. It is reported to handle summer heat okay.
Lynn
Something else: your Sonia has an assortment of prickles of different sizes.
All the RRD infected roses I've seen (including some rugosas) have masses of prickles of the same size as one of their RRD symptoms. And further complicating things, not all RRD infected roses are "hyper thorny"
RRD thorns do harden up eventually, but often they stand out so oddly that we grasp them physically before we grasp the meaning behind/within them.
In addition to gloves, I recommend a broad brimmed hat and sunglasses. I wore the hat but not the sunglasses. See:
http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/roses/msg1117083317927.html
Here is a link that might be useful: link to my eyelid cancer post
I,m not sure why you care about the differences, but I grow both climbing Cecile Brunner and r banksia lutea (Yellow Lady Banks) right next to each other on the 3 story tall wall of my house. Since you are in zone 9, you should be able to grow both of them too.
Your bush does not look like a banksia rose to me - it certainly could be an old climbing Cecile Brunner. Have you seen the blooms? Are the small and light pink and have the form of tiny hybrid tea blossoms?
See the picture below - both of the roses on my house are climbers, and both can be trained (they don't have to get this big - I encourage the large size, because I love huge roses). In the picture most of what you see is Cl Cecile Brunner (pink blooms) - the yellow blooms on the left are from the edge of the huge yellow banksia rose. They both get the same height on our house (to the roof). They are both (only one plant) about 3 1/2 stories high and 15 or more feet wide.
The main other differences I can think of are:
1) the banksia is definitely once blooming, and starts blooming earlier (ours is coming into bloom right now). The CB usually blooms after the banksia has finished, which makes them great companions (this pic was taken because for some weather reason one year they were both blooming at the same time). The CB has scattered repeat all year, and a flush of bloom (way less than Spring) in the Fall.
2) the banksia is COMPLETELY, truly, thornless. The CB has plenty of thorns.
3) The banksia canes are much more flexible and longer than the CB canes.
Both can be pruned as much or little as you like. We only prune ours to keep the windows of the house clear, and to take off some weight in the Fall so they don't get torn off the house in Winter storms.
If I had your old CB I would probably cut off the top mess, clean the base, weed all around it, feed it, mulch it, and wait for it to put out more new canes, which could then be trained horizontally along the fence.
Jackie
Jackie, I really appreciate your thoughts! This is a new rose bush to me and I'd love to take a couple years and get it into shape.
I definitely have one CB with pale pink flowers that is doing well. This one has LOTS of thorns, so I guess it's not a Lady Banks. But it's in such poor shape I've only seen a couple flowers in the year I've lived here. They seemed mostly white to me, with maybe on a slight hint of pink.
Your home and roses are just beautiful!
The rose does indeed exist. You will only know whether or not your rose is the correct rose when it blooms. Was it a bagged rose from a big box store or a potted one from a nursery? The bagged roses have a high rate of being mislabeled. The nurseries are better but even they occasionally get a mislabeled one from their suppliers.
Hey all. thanks for the replies ^^
It was a bagged rose from a box store.
I did buy national trust too but the only rose I am currently worried about is this one.
Does anybody have their own photos? I cannot find good photos of the whole bush.
Transplanting shouldn't matter unless you cut all the canes off when you did it. It's the age of the canes that's important. A 4 year old cane could begin to get woody/barky covered. I turned and brightened up the photo to see it better and this looks like bark not canker to me.
Interesting prospect Henry, though there's so little evidence about using human products on plants or vice versa. Seems like there'd be a considerable risk for overapplication, since zinc is a trace element for most plants.
Cynthia
I think Dr. Huey is the answer. If so, there is another alternative. You can leave it where it is but cut the canes back and then graft a new rose (or even more than one) on to the cane. You'll get a new rose on an established powerful root system. If you want to try it I'm sure some of the people here will tell you how.
Look up Paul Zimmerman on you tube. He has a great video on trimming back climbing roses. If it is doctor Huey like some suspect either choose the enjoy the once bloomer or rip it out and start over IMO .