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Very interesting. It's a determined little bush. I got my first GP last spring and really enjoyed it during the summer. After only one year in the ground, I moved it this week to a place where it will get more water. I had to hand water it last year, and since we're in a drought, I'm gearing up for reduced water.
Disbudding is more critical for small, newly rooted cuttings.
A grafted or even an own-root body-bag rose has been growing for 18-24 months, so it's not so critical to disbud.
Also you have a long (51 week) growing season. A short growing season means there's less time for the plant to establish. A long one means it has a lot more time.
Expect your newly planted roses to slow way down in the heat of summer. In future years they will handle the SFV heat better than they will the first year.
Roses Unlimited has Dee Lish listed as a new rose this spring. Their roses are one gallon size own root roses.
Here is a link that might be useful: outstanding must grow roses at Roses Unlimited
Hmmm...a friend gave me Dee-lish last fall along with a couple others he'd gotten (he knows people and gets early releases he shares sometimes). At the time I wasn't all that thrilled with it but it was free so I accepted it (I'm known for taking in strays, lol). Now I think I might be glad I did (could become rare)...or maybe not depending on why it failed, lol?
Beth, yes, the ones the lawn guys weed whacked: Cardinal de Richelieu, White Pet, Miami Moon, and Conundrum. Especially Miami Moon, cause only Hortico carries it, and my Conundrum was stunning. I'm hoping that they will come back, but it will be weeks until the snow melts and they break dormancy. They also got to one of the Soroptimist Internationals, but I have another one. Sorry to hear about your losses, sad to hear.
Mine have been lost to galls mostly but I did almost lose Paul's Early Blush to being shaded and overrun by fast moving Charles Lawson. I was able to save him and split him into two and so now I have an extra just in case. You never know when something will happen. I've started double planting the HTF kinds. I used to move my roses around more, but after losing a few that I really loved, I am being very careful about it now. Quatre Saisons layed down on poor Louise Odier and she is just now bouncing back. I let my Reine Victoria get so tall that I didn't see Louise getting smothered.
I checked the one on the right - am seeing feeder roots but nothing close to the bottom. The smaller one was potted up in the fall and I seriously doubt it has made much progress. I stuck in its photo to compare the older potted band. Glad to hear you say they look good! The tiny one is a Vintage band from fall out of their import group. The other is Braveheart from Heirloom. On the older bands, I have dribbled a bit of Rose Tone and I watered with a VERY dilute solution of rainwater and Maxicrop seaweed/kelp.
I find it interesting that I keep seeing a similar pattern. First, people recommend NOT providing fertilizer for new bands. Then, I see people posting about their bands taking so long to grow. I understand that water-soluble fertilizers can burn tender band-roots if given in excess, but I tried mixing my own nutrient-rich potting mix for my bands last Spring.
In a wheelbarrow, I mixed equal parts (by volume) of peat moss, shredded hardwood mulch, and Bovung dehydrated cow manure (all from Home Depot). For 1gal containers (tiny bands), I sprinkled 1/2 cup of Jobe's Organic Knock-Out fertilizer in layers as I filled the pots. For 2gal containers (larger bands), I used 1 cup. When fully potted, each received its first soaking with fish/seaweed emulsion diluted in water at half the recommended rate, then set out in mid-Spring to get all the rain and sun. Where I am, beat-down hot sun doesn't really arrive until June, and by that time, the bands were growing well enough to have been put in full-sun, anyway.
I did get some "really tiny bands" with my order, while others were more substantial -- virtually all grew like gangbusters. My 'Jaune Desprez', a yellow Tea-Noisette notorious for being a slow starter own-root, came as a thin twig but soon put out a new cane from the roots that grew, sprouted further, and reached over 6' tall by the end of Autumn. I posted about it on the Antiques forum, with lots of before and after pics.
Addendum -- the 'Sweet Chariot' I received was mislabeled, and turned out to be some mystery Multiflora hybrid yet to be identified.
:-)
~Christopher
Here is a link that might be useful: Some before and after showing growth so far
It depends, roseseek. I've been given some of those potted minis for Valentines for the past three years and they live quite happily on my kitchen table till about April when they make their way out to a bed I have dedicated to them. I now have two plants that have been healthy, doubled in size every year, and bloom happily all season and a brand new one waiting to go out this year. They are completely unlabeled, under $5, and apparently quite tough.
I've also had some other potted plants from grocery stores that didn't perform well, but I've been really lucky with the mini roses.
I think I purchased Moonstone from Edmund's the first year that they offered it. It is winter tender some...not as much as Falling in Love and St. Patrick. Each spring I prune Falling in Love close to the ground. It amazes me how it will grow back....if it ever dies I probably won't replace it because of the thorns...love the bloom. Moonstone is a more vigorous bush in my garden and lots more blooms. You probably just got a not-so-good bush. I think that happens to me sometimes. Definitely bury the graft/bud union a couple of inches deep. I'm anxiously awaiting to see what makes it in my garden. I did NO winter protection!
We're all aging. Add the weather and economic tolls to the mix and it isn't surprising. There doesn't seem to be any new, "young blood" entering the industry, so expect more of it. I've never dealt with them, but I share your sense of loss and wish them the best. Kim
Will do and thanks a bunch Kim.
The rest of my babies are doing so well I could just cry....well I tend to blubber easy anyway.
I have noticed that the plants that lost a noticeable number of leaves this winter(?), are generally producing more leaf sprouts than the ones (Pristine and Sterling Silver) that lost almost none. Each one seems to have it's own personality and growing habit. It's really interesting to watch.
Lady Emma has had 3 large blooms, Molineux has large buds ready to pop, and they are all just generally looking like SPRING HAS SPRUNG!!
I have already fertilized once, foliar sprayed 2 weeks later with Neptune's Harvest (Fish and Seaweed), and cleaned up the beds and put down a spring layer of compost this week end.
I'm just so happy to be out playing with the babies....
Hugs and Smooches,
andreark
It's fascinating to watch the different characters over time. You get to know their 'personalities' quite well after a while :-)