22,153 Garden Web Discussions | Roses

Kate, I don't have a bed for the newer ones yet. I will need another raised bed built. Can't do that myself. My handyman and gardener will do that next month.

Thanks all for your good info. I DID notice that the cane and roots looked very large. Guess I should have figured out that it wasn't a 'baby'.

Well, I put it in a pot (and did as Kim suggested). And I am sure that it will be great.

Haven't looked at it since the first, my boy pup cut his rear leg and thigh yesterday and had to be operated on for 2 hours. He is at home, whimpering and being fed home made chicken soup. God I hate it when my pups get sick or hurt. Well, I better stop and try to take him outside for a potty break. He's only 35 pounds, but for an 'older lady', that's a lot to carry up and down steps.

Thanks again all,

andrea

Wish I could have as many dogs as I do roses! Wishing u puppy kisses.

Wirosarian,
I do have a 30' pecan tree well away from them. However, it IS closer to the bushes on the east than the west, but can't imagine the roots of this old tree are at the same depth of the roses. Thanks for your response! This is the first time I've posted anything on this forum and love the depth of knowledge exhibited.

Hi,

Tree roots are one possibility, ground inclination is another as it would affect the water they receive, prevailing wind is a third factor as the roses growing upwind will tend to suffer more damage, proximity to hardscape is a fourth one which can go either way depending on your climate and non uniform soil or existence of a burried rock or burried concrete block a fifth. If I think hard I'm sure I can come up with more potential factors. Of course I left out the most important factor which is the sun they receive since I assume from your post they receive equal amounts.
Nik

'Iceberg' (climbing version).

Take a piece of that Darlow's Enigma and stick the stick in the ground in front of the fiberglass thingee -- it will probably take, and then take off. Roots easily.

Kim, I was thinking about your post while at work. Do you think the mulch would cause anaerobic problems below the soil line as it breaks down? I'm thinking that is what you meant by "souring". I was thinking that the mulch would act somewhat like a modified hugelkulture system. Before I laid down all the mulch in the beds, I left quite a few branches and bits -- which didn't get used for the log edging -- on the ground and smothered them. I was thinking that would be a good thing over time as they broke down -- as long as I kept adding organic nitrogen. I'm planning on sprinkling blood meal over the mulch in early Spring, followed by a layer of composted manure (a mixture of horse, cow, sheep, goat and pig, sold by my local university agriculture lab for half the price of the Bovung from Home Depot). Our heavy Spring rains would, presumably, rinse this fine particulate matter through the crevices of the mulch. I was thinking that doing this every Spring would allow the wood to decay without robbing nitrogen from the soil. Is this not a good plan?

:-)

~Christopher

Closer to the surface, the large wood shards shouldn't be an issue, Christopher. When they're buried in soggier soil, particularly in a pot where drainage and oxygen circulation are much more restricted, anareobic conditions are much more easily encountered. You can get away with spreading a ton of all types of organic material on the surface of the soil where the temps, oxygen and moisture support the necessary fungi and bacteria to digest it. As you know, the problems occur when you lose the oxygen. I'd expect your soil to be wonderful with the variety of "good stuff" you're planning on feeding it. Good luck! Kim

WAS offering it.. No longer available! This rose is like gold nowadays. Luckily I bought 2 a few days ago before it ran out of stock. Is this rose known to be a slow grower? If so, is the fact that I'm getting it band size mean it won't get close to a decent size for like five years? Lol

Drew

Drew, I can't speak for your zone, but here it's already a respectable size in its second year and had a few blooms the first year. I'm looking forward to a nice spring flush this year.

Ingrid

Bare roots should be soaked for at least 24 hours before you plant them. I just put them totally immersed in a 32 gal plastic garbage can full of water. Back in CT I planted in my own homemade compost but here I have had to settle for what passes for compost at the local nursery I water with my home brew of steer manure and water and everything I've planted here in SoCal including those from Hortico has taken off.

Thanks Henry. So I can soak hortico bare roots for 24 hours with no issues? I read on the forum somewhere that someone had a bare root rose that died and when they called hortico they asked how long did they soak it for, and after they replied with a time longer than 20 minutes, apparently they told her it had to be soaked for just 20 minutes.

What compost can I buy from a local store that do well with bare roots, particularly multiflora?

Thanks
Drew

I grew roses in central Fl. (Winter Haven) for 20+ yrs. All of Dewars roses are on Dr. Huey rootstock. Root Knot nematodes will over the yrs weaken and kill the bush's. They are most present in sandy soils. Old orange groves and places like that. The process can be slowed down a little by using pine bark as mulch. The nematodes don't like the acid from the pine bark. It's starting to get a little late but tomorrow I can give you some hints and things to do that will teach students the difference between rootstock used on roses in Fl.

Nelson's Florida Roses are right around the corner from you (in Apopka). All of their roses are grafted onto fortuniana rootstock. Talk to one of the owners over there and tell them what is going on at the school. Ask them if you can purchase 4 roses so you can teach the children the difference between the different rootstocks and the difference in the growth habits of the roses. Get Mr. Lincoln, J.F. Kennedy, Pascali and a rose named Belinda's Dream (pink). Plant these roses close to their name sake from Dewar and Belinda's Dream with the pinks. Do a little home work on these two rootstocks. Now for disease's. Namely blackspot. It is a fungus disease that almost all hybrid tea's in Florida get. Hundreds of folks have tried different ways to keep roses clean. In Florida the best way is to spray the plants every two weeks with Bayer Disease Control for Roses and Shrubs. Do not use the All in 1 or anything like that. Remember water is the life of anything. This includes roses big time. Roses also like to be fed so they can perform at their best. Ask Nelson what they feed their roses. Always remember this, you can't sell roses to a childs mind if it is an ugly, disease covered bush with puny, ugly blooms. Remind the children that the rose is our National flower. Make them want to be proud to say that the rose is the Nations flower and they learned all about it from you're school. Now to answer some of you're other questions. Don't worry about the infected foliage. It will drop off in time. Don't feed anything until they have been in the ground for a least 2 months. Then just a small hand full of fert. per bush every month for 6 months. Then a big hand full every month after that. Don't prune anything this year. Next year do the major pruning. The rest of this school year water a lot and feed every month. They need to establish a good root system. Do yourself a favor and contact the Orlando Rose Society. They can help tremendously. Tell them I sent you over. Some of the older member know who I am. Enjoy and teach those children about our National flower. They're the ones who will be taking care of the roses after we're gone.

Jim, your Barbra Streisand is gorgeous! The buds look almost purple. wow. Where do you live?

You did all the right things .

Mine look like that also.

I am SO jealous.

You are welcome, Andrea. I found it interesting as to why we all smell a rose differently, i.e. gender, location, time of year, age of the bloom, etc. I didn't know that women can smell "fruity" better than men and that men can smell "apple" better than women. No wonder the Help Me Find Roses website, often states, "Opinions vary". Thank goodness we are all different :).

By the way, zone6-nj, I searched for Glamis Castle on the Help Me Find Roses site and saw a notation in the comment section, saying that they loved this rose's bloom and scent. There are also comments about black spot, but of course that depends on location too.

Thanks jasmine! I appreciate the information. I'm glad some people like it!

For anyone on here that's ever smelled Sceptred isle, would you consider that strong myrrh? Or myrrh mixed with something else? Because I want glamis castle, and if it smells like this I'll buy it for sure. If not, what other roses smell like Sceptred isle?

It's crazy! I hope I'm not going to regret getting all of this when around 35 roses appear on my doorstep in spring!

Lady of the mist looks beautiful in pictures I've seen, I would order it this year but I should probably hold that off! Lol

Drew

LOL, Zap, that's how it all starts! The first year or so you try to plan then eventually you just start buying more and more that you "have to have" and pretty soon you're out of space and still buying and the next thing you know you're into pots!

As for those pots, you can grow any rose in a pot. I've had everything from micro-minis to a towering 8ft Reine des Violets and everything in between growing in a pot at one tme or another. I've grown Austins and two different climbers in pots as well. They all did fine as long as the pot was big and there was some support for them. In your zone they are never going to be as big as they would be in a warm zone and because of our shorter growing season they take much longer to out grow the pots to where they need root pruning.

Enjoy and post pictures!

My Cl. Lady Hillingdon baked against the house wall and had to be removed. It's grown very little since then and since I had no place to put a trellis or arch I planted it in a row of tea roses and will try to grow it as a large, free-standing bush. In another garden I grew one very successfully against a chain link fence where it had circulation all the way around it. The intensity of the sun has increased so much since then that I'm not sure how well the all-day sun it had would affect it now.

Ingrid

While the fence site seems to be the best for the rose I wouldn't suggest training it to the fence unless it's a very sturdy one and you don't ever need to fix or replace it. I'd find a very sturdy trellis or arch to train it to.