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If clematis are struggling there--roses likely will also--box hedges don't require a lot as they are slow-growing. If it was me I would FIRST determine why the clems are not doing well before planting anything new. This will save you $$$$ in the long run!
Think of the soil and light/water conditions before any shopping. This is the "infrastructure" for plants. You would not think about curtains or pillows before you have a room to put them in, would you? Same thing with plants...
Some things to think about: how long have the clems been there. How were they planted. What is the soil like. How much sun are they getting and how much water. Is there root competition from trees nearby. Is there root competition from the box hedge.
I'm not in your area, but we get the right ingredients for heavy blackspot pressure here as well. I'm just starting my garden here, and this will be the second growing season my roses will experience. If you want absolutely perfect foliage the whole season, then you just may have to spray regularly. Personally, I'm not that finicky, and other plants come into their own when blackspot comes to town, so even if something defoliates it's not tremendously noticeable. Then again, most of my roses are NOT Hybrid Teas, so.....
But before you commit yourself to a regular spraying schedule, first watch your plants as they grow, and keep them growing well. Some will be more noticeably susceptible than others. Don't just assume that everything will require being on chemical life support to survive from day 1 -- sure, you COULD spray everything all season long, but you might be doing more than is necessary. So see how they do unassisted first, then intervene when necessary. Even if you still do have to spray some, at least you won't be wasting money on fungicides when they're not needed.
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~Christopher
For us, the spraying season doesn't start until the weather warms up so that we have wet leaves and temperatures in the 60s. Black Spot isn't a problem in cold weather.
Immunox offers good control over powdery mildew in our yard, but it needs to be sprayed every week for BS control.
It is a good idea to spray fungicide only products and avoid all in one products that have insecticides that will kill off bees and other beneficial insects.
Don't send email, it may take them a week to reply to your email. Which may aggravate you even more. I sent them an email after 1 week of hearing nothing, and they did not reply. Call them instead.
My 5 bare roots delivered on Friday. They were scheduled to be shipped out in 2 weeks. But when I called on Tuesday, the customer service person was very polite and told me that she will have them shipped the next day. I would suggest that you call them. They are very customer friendly.
This post was edited by Joopster on Mon, May 12, 14 at 9:32
Have you ever looked at HelpMeFind? You enter a rose's name in the search field and a file-page comes up. One of the tabs is "Buy From" which shows nurseries carrying that particular rose. I got mine as a VID band from Vintage Gardens, but with that nursery closing, you'll have to look through some of the others. The other option is, since you already have a few, is to try rooting cuttings yourself. Keep in mind that if your others are grafted, own-root 'Mirandy' might not show the same degree of vigor. I know it from only my own-root plant, and while I wouldn't call it "wimpy" I am guessing that most mid-20th Century Hybrid Teas would grow more vigorously on rootstock. See the link below for nurseries listing 'Mirandy'.
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~Christopher
Here is a link that might be useful: 'Mirandy' rose nurseries at HelpMeFind
From your description, both of your roses were likely budded on the root stock Dr. Huey. Apparently the scions (the named roses which were budded to the stock) have died, leaving only the root stock. If that is the case, there is nothing left of the original "old roses". All you have now are two plants of the root stock. Do the "black wild roses" look like any of these photos at the link below? If they do, my diagnosis is very likely accurate. The only way to get your old roses back would be to identify what they were and buy new plants of them, presuming you can identify them and that someone is offering them. Good luck. Kim
Here is a link that might be useful: Dr. Huey
I think it is the angle the photo was taken that is what is throwing you off.
If you look at the fence, it is likely that the posts are set every 8 feet. Looking at the timbers to make the beds, those are also sold in 8 foot lengths.
Guessing that each of those "beds" (note there is a timber going toward the fence at what could be 8 feet) is actually only holding 2 or 3 bushes every 8 feet. So yes they might be tight if you like the look of bush space bush. But they might not be nearly as tight as the look from the angle of the photo.
FYI the local rose garden seems to use 2 feet spacing for most of the roses. At the beginning of the season they look far apart and at the end they are a big mass of plants
Most, if not all, hybrid teas require spraying with fungicide in our humidity. Some need to be sprayed every 2 weeks, but some can be sprayed monthly or less. There are some that, no matter how much you spray, will still suffer from fungal issues in our high humidityâ¦Angel Face and Chrysler Imperial come to mind off hand. If you use the Bayer brand fungicide spray (I believe its official name is Bayer Advanced Disease Controlâ¦just the fungicide spray, not the one with insecticide included), it is a cure, as well as, a preventative. By using it, you can wait until a rose starts to show signs of blackspot to spray (infected leaves wonâÂÂt turn back green, but the fungus will be killed). If you use a spray that is a preventative only, more frequent spraying will be necessary to combat fungal problems. Spraying a chemical fungicide is not difficult, but it is a chemical you are spraying in the environment. If you want a chemical free garden, there are organic alternatives, but they usually are not as effective in treating and preventing blackspot in high humidity climates. Many gardeners use chemical fungicides, but many are adamantly against it. You will want to do some research and make your own decision on that.
As far as antique roses, you wonâÂÂt get the high centered exhibition form or as long a vase life from them. There are some charming antiques that would be great, disease resistant performers in your climate, though. Teas, noisettes, chinas and polyanthas would be good ones to look at, but again, the form, bloom size and vase life are different from moderns...and most of the teas and noisettes will get huge in your climate. You might want to consider some of the antique climbers for your fence and get hybrid teas as your shrubs or vice versa to see which you prefer long term. I was originally a hybrid tea fanatic, but have really come to appreciate the beauty and ease of the antiques lately.
I highly recommend Belinda's Dream. I too live in Louisiana and it performs like a champion without any spraying for us. You could also try Quietness and Earthsong. If you want an old antique that gets about 8' x 8' and loves our climate, then give Mrs. B. R. Cant a try. I've got lots of information on an old blog that I haven't updated in a couple of years at the below link.
Here is a link that might be useful: Davy's Garden Blog
Sounds like your doing all the right things, I bet the rose will bounce back though it might take sometime, My only suggestion is it might be helpful for the rose to received some partial shade until it's root system is once again established. (If the temps are high in your area). I keep most of my roses on a porch in whiskey barrels and they seem quite content As for what the rose is, more pics could be helpful do you have any of the open blooms, a close up of the cains, maybe a pick of the full plant? Are the leaves glossy or matte? What is the color of new growth? If I was guessing off the cuff...it might be Joseph's Coat....but that's a big maybe
I don't think it's the thrips. Those generally tend to attack blooms not canes. If you have the receipts I'd take them back and try for new ones.
Thank you I did pull them straight out of the ground no digging needed and no roots, went and replaced them with three new rose bushes.... Now on to tackling my Thrips!!! Ugh!