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Just a little visual of some of the growth on my Fortuniana bushes:
Hot Princess, St. Patrick, and Marlon's Day (sport of Moonstone) showing all the new shoots and stems on plants in small pots for only a month:



This is a pic of a rose recommended to me by Mr. Mills as one of his favorite reds. I have found little to no info out there on it. I believe it is a cross of Moonstone and Cajun Moon, both of which have the same parents, Crystalline and Lynn Anderson. So basically it is an incestuous rose! It is called Carolina Pride. It seems to be behaving as a floribunda or grandiflora as it is putting out a candelabra type flowering stem.



There's a lot of that "candelabra" stuff behind your rose.
When we planted its ancestor, 'Crystalline' here, the huge candelabras (which then wanted to fall over) were one of my main complaints. You could disbud it one day, and when you came back in the morning, it would have pushed up new sidebuds.
THAT tendency will likely remain.
But please don't judge these baby roses. Just grow them, and don't expect perfection from them. They need a year or two to grow up.
Jeri

Pruning won't make it bloomer faster. Let it grow in its new spot (with 6 hours of sun) for a year. Then see how it blooms next year.
As the previous poster said, it may be a climber--another reason to let it grow for a year so you can better determine exactly what you have there.
You should be aware that a non-climber rose can take 2-3 years before it matures, and a climber rose can take 3-5 years to mature. Roses are not quickies like annuals are.
Kate


If it is not caused by herbicide damage, then it is imperative that you carefully dispose of the roses in sealed tight bags. Make sure you get the roots also. If you don't, you endanger your other roses--and your neighbors' roses.
Terrible having to face up to it, isn't it. Happens to most of us, sooner or later, if that is any consolation.
Kate


Maybe Sunset Celebration (Warm Wishes) doesn't like extreme heat--could somebody comment? Mine is not a tremendous bloomer, but it grows well enough and the flowers are very attractive and have good fragrance. Mine was pushing 7' tall until I just now took a couple of feet off with deadheads.
The spots on SC foliage in the picture appear to be cercospora fungus disease. I have a lot of that this rainy summer.

One thing you should understand is that rose blackspot is chronic in all eastern and midwestern gardens. You can't get rid of it by pruning. You have to deal with it in one of the three ways Jim suggests. I use the Bayer Disease Control spray concentrate.

IF this is blackspot (and I still think better images would ensure a correct diagnosis) you have decisions to make.
1. To spray (may/may not correct the problem)
2. To live with the problem
3. To re-plant with roses resistant to that fungus.
If you decide to spray, take time to check out the chemicals you will be using, and be sure you want to add them to your environment.
For every one of the available garden chemicals, there are active ingredients, and these offer greater/lesser degrees of danger. The chemical in Bayer Disease Control is tebuconazole. Information on it follows:
"Tebuconazole is a triazole fungicide used agriculturally to treat plant pathogenic fungi.
Though the U.S. Food and Drug Administration considers this fungicide to be safe for humans, it may still pose a risk. It is listed as a possible carcinogen in the United States Environmental Protection Agency Office of Pesticide Programs carcinogen list with a rating of C (possible carcinogen). Its acute toxicity is moderate.[2] According to the World Health Organization toxicity classification, it is listed as III, which means slightly hazardous."
"Due to the potential for endocrine-disrupting effects, tebuconazole was assessed by the Swedish Chemicals Agency [3] as being potentially removed from the market by EU regulation 1107/2009.[4]"
It is not allowed for sale in New York State.
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If you are going to spray with any garden chemical, DO use a mask and protective clothing. If you can smell the chemical, you are breathing it. If you spill it on your skin, wash it off immediately, and thoroughly.
Jeri

The sun issue is cause we haven't had any....its done nothing but rain. And overcast. And rain....they were all terribly wilted yesterday but we got an inch of rain...sigh....lol. it's supposed to be 90 today and overcast....will keep my fingers crossed.


My feelings are you need to experiment to see what works best for you in your location...
Like here I'm finding out our soil doesn't need very
much fertilizer so I'm mainly back to top dressing with cow manure OR horse manure OR compost once every growing season or every other.
Along with using wood chip mulch...
Sometimes I add alittle alfalfa meal into the mix...
This seems to keep the earthworms happy and they
continue to loosen the soil and secrete there poop
which keeps the soil & roses happy...
So I say experiment and just be careful not to burn the roots and leaves of your roses by overfertilizing...

I usually fertilize about once a month. And I do so right up to frost. Some people will tell you to stop at least 6 weeks before your first frost but I like my roses to go into winter well fed.
Did he say what type of fertilizer he was using? Is he using that Miracle Grow hose end sprayer? That's my bet.

Henry,
The cutting off of a suspect cane only works if you catch the problem when it's on a single cane. I think a friend in Asheville may have done this for a Knock Out bush in his neighbor's KO bed this past fall. As of this spring, the bush remained healthy. (This is one of the members of Asheville Blue Ridge Rose Society who have been trying the two strikes and you're out for quite a while now at my urging.)
Something that had bothered me for the past two years was the spread of RRD within beds of KO. Some beds stayed healthy; others were almost infected randomly, but wind dispersal ISN'T random. Then I saw a yard crew working (blowing) near one of the beds I've been following and (not using a blower at home for anything) I surged into this century and thought about what damage those breezes could do.




Thanks, I went back out and checked closer and it was a break :) I just pruned out the break to good wood. Phew!
So Problem solved... :)