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These have all been hardy for me, so far, in 5a.
Parade, an iconic world famous climber from Beorner
Rosarium Uetersen non stop producer of raspberry-salmon pinkish, fully double blooms--I think the color is more salmon in brighter sun than I get in NY, from Kordes
Karlesruhe, a parent of the above, a darker pink, larger flower, not quite as rapid rebloom for me.
Dream Girl, lovely pink climber by Jacobus, available at Greenmantle.
Shin Setsu, white climber from Suzuki, excellent growth and vitality in a cold climate, why this has not remained in commerce I don't know
White Cocade, beautifully shaped soft white flowers..
In general, any of the climbers which have New Dawn for a parent, except possibly Casino and other yellows, are hardy to at least 5. New Dawn itself and sports are armoured and probably not good choices for placement near a hot tub.
Also any of the Kordesii climbers, such as the above mentioned, should work for you. Some newer ones which have amazingly beautiful flowers are Rosanna, Laguna, White Cloud.
Northland Rosarium has a nice selection of hardy climbers and their plants and service are excellent.
No personal experience but ran across this when checking the cold tolerance of some of my climbers.
William Baffin
Canadian Explorer roses were developed in Canada during a 30-year period from the 1960s through the 1990s. Bred to be cold-hardy, some are also drought-tolerant. One variety, "William Baffin" (Rosa "William Baffin"), climbs between 7 and 10 feet and bears semi-double pink flowers. It is hardy in USDA zones 2b through 9b, meaning that it can withstand winter temperatures as low as -45 degrees Fahrenheit and a significant number of days when temperatures are above 86 degrees Fahrenheit, as in south-central Florida's USDA zone 9b and American Horticultural Society Heat Zone 10 climate.
New Dawn
"New Dawn" (Rosa "New Dawn") is a vigorous climbing rose that grows between 15 and 20 feet tall, with a 15 foot spread. It is hardy in USDA zones 4b through 9a and can withstand winter temperatures as low as -25 degrees Fahrenheit. The large flowers are shell pink and are borne in profusion in spring and occasionally thereafter. "New Dawn" was selected as one of Texas A&M University's hardy, sustainable "Earth-Kind" roses after eight years of research and field trials in a variety of Texas locations. The field trial results recognize overall hardiness, as well as pest and disease resistance.
http://www.tenarky.org/Consulting%20Rosarians2.htm
This is the address of the page from the Tenarky district website that lists the consulting rosarians in the district. Contact some of them to see if they grow roses on Fort. I think some of them probably do.
It depends on where the grafts on your roses are. If they are up in the air (the way some recommend), you may have a problem.
Re you other plants: Gingers will come back from the roots, as will philodendrums and angel trumpets (this from experiences in NOLA when temps got that low and froze pipes. We kept our tree fern alive by wrapping it with incandescent Christmas lights and then with plastic. You will probably lose your Meyer Lemon because it's grafted and coming back from the roots .....you know the rest.
Thanks for the recommendations everyone! I'm only acquainted with Westerland as a fairly large climber in this mild area, but seeing one of the parents of Westerland on HMF is 'Circus' gave me another idea.
Circus has done fairly well in my mother's garden. Disneyland is another orange-toned rose I just remembered that my mom liked enough to get three and seems like it might tolerate a little shade. They are a bit less out of control size wise too which isn't a bad thing. Disneyland for sure has a scent to my nose.
Jay
People do speak very highly of David Austin's Lady Emma Hamilton and they say it tolerates shade and doesn't get too big. It's fragrant, too.
Here is a link that might be useful: Lady Emma Hamilton at Help Me Find
It isn't Playgirl, definitely. The closest it comes to anything I've ever seen and/or grown is Neon Lights. Plus, Sequoia Nursery would never have had the distribution ability to get Playgirl into the Philipines where J&P distributed roses would have easily made it there. Kim
A question about Neon Lights for those of you who've grown it. Does it have a silvery reverse? A flower bud just opened today with a dark pink bloom and a silvery reverse. All the old blooms have faded and fallen off so I can't compare them. But I do know that the petals get darker on darker days which we've been having lately.
I've read the no blue pigment theory. I'm not convinced that it is correct.
We already see many permutations of "purple" in roses from very reddish purple to very bluish purple.
As I stated at the start of my previous post, the statements are "from the not so technical side." If you reread that post it almost contains more disclaimers about opinion, thoughts, ideas, and beliefs than actual statements.
I hold with my opinions, thoughts, ideas, and beliefs on the subject. They may not be correct; however, they may in time prove to be true.
I can imagine a case where the "blue pigment" was not identified. I can also imagine a case where the identified purple pigment expresses itself as blue, etc.
I hold with my opinions, thoughts, ideas, beliefs, and conjecture on the subject.
I found this somewhere around the internet. Check it out. According to this research, the blue pigment "delphinidin" does exist on roses! But only on the leaves. Specifically of the 1964 Kordes rose SAMBA.
They've also studied bluish purple roses like BLUE MOON, MME. VIOLET, and RHAPSODY IN BLUE. They have found cyanins in these rose and from what I understand, are copigmented with purple pigments that makes them more purplish that blue. They also found that cyanins start accumulating in fading petals of Rhapsody in Blue so it appears bluer as it fades. The same happens with other fading purple roses like BLEU MAGENTA.
In the end, they've come to a conclusion that roses are among the many genera of flowering plants that are capable of producing blue pigments and thus true blue flowers, but roses also produce other pigments that are able to counteract or overpower the blue pigments so that's why we haven't seen true blue roses so far.
Here is a link that might be useful: Research regarding blue pigments on roses and bluish purple roses.
I have a Sir Edward Elgar that has done well for me. It gets about 5 to 5-1/2 ft tall, and it reblooms dependably. It is a dark pink color similar to the color of the HT Electron, if you know that one. It is a bright, electric pink. The picture below doesn't quite do it justice, but I think you can get the idea. I'm not sure why this rose doesn't appear more often in catalogues because it does reasonably well, at least here.
I actually bought "Sombreuil" from Home Depot this past Fall. That's what it was labeled as. I planted it in a sunny spot, and I'm interested to see if it will survive our tough Winters. I also have "Colette" and she's a great rose. Mine grew really tall this year and I might have to move her to another spot. I'm surprised that the roses mentioned in Ms. Kimmel's article don't list any Canadian Explorer roses. These are super hardy and beautiful roses. I have quite a few - John Davis, William Baffin, John Cabot and I just purchased Quadra. If you're searching for hardy roses, give these a try.
Tantau doesn't have an agent in N America, according to the owners of Palatine when I inquired last year. This is why we can't get all their newer beautiful roses, though some have been "poached", as I put it, perhaps because Tantau didn't patent certain roses soon enough. This seems to be what happened with Blue Bayou, a Kordes rose. You can still purchase Ascot and Augusta Luise, but Astrid seems to have disappeared from the general market, just like Blue Bayou. Diane
Tough call for me between OLOG and Sexy Rexy. I've grown Sexy Rexy for >12 years, and it blooms like crazy (lots of blooms with each flush and repeats very well). I finally got OLOG about 3 years ago, after circling it for years, and love it very much. Sexy Rexy is a more true pink, and has more petals and substance. Its blooms are flatter than OLOG. OLOG is a lighter pink, but has more classic HT form upon opening (less flat). It repeats very well, and while the blooms don't last as long as Sexy Rexy, they last well. Since you're in OK, you might want to check zone hardiness to make the choice. Like I said, tough call since they're both great roses for me.
Liqui-Cop is copper, which is effective as a dormant spray type of product, if that is what you are after. It would be considered more of an "organic" treatment than a fungicide such as Banner Maxx, Bayer Rose & Flower spray, that type of product.
Copper in that form works fairly well as a "contact" type fungicide -- it kills whatever fungus it comes in contact with while it's still wet. When/after it dries, I don't think it has any effect, which is true of most of the "organic" fungicides -- contact only/no residual effect, but they kill what they touch.
I use it occasionally, but I don't like to use it during the growing season because it leaves blue spots on the leaves, which I find ugly. If you don't mind blue spots all over everything, it's fiine. Wear old clothes when you apply it, again, unless you fancy blue spots. The main advantage copper has over other fungicides is its cheap price -- most everything else is five to ten times as expensive, if not more than that.
Even with alerts about my Wish List, I think the new format will have me purchasing less from them in the long run. Not consciously, but... here's an example.
If I go the grocery store I generally have a list and may need five things - bread, milk, eggs, cheese, and beer (I am from Wisconsin). I'm not going to leave the grocery store with just those items though. I'll grab some cookies or chips or something that's on sale, etc.
I generally shop for roses the same way. I go with some specifics in mind, but end up with a few extras that were new or looked interesting. Not technically something on my Wish List, but were purchases of opportunity. So, Heirloom, even though they know they'll have a rose variety ready in spring when I want my order delivered because it is in production (but not ready and available when I place my order) loses out on my purchases of opportunity. They will then only get my purchases of targeted intent. Roses that are on my Wish List and varieties that are specific to them. I think Rogue Valley might be the master of purchases of opportunity - I may only specifically be shopping for three roses, but I'm sure as heck going to find a fourth to get the free rose.
Maybe it is because Heirloom's new owner comes from an electronics background. Depending on what kind of electronics, those are very targeted purchases. I've never bought electronics or computers or phones without knowing what I want, researching it, and going an getting it at the best price. It is never an emotional or gut decision. Even though I try to be orderly and researched in my rose purchases, I never quite succeed. Roses and plants are very emotional decisions that can be from the gut. It is bloody cold out and my gut tells me to spend money on flowers for spring. Where will I now wander in search of them?
I too have been long awaiting the updates. It would be nice to see what is "new" in 2014 from them too. They still have the 2013 "new" section. There are a few roses I would love to get from them, but I certainly don't want to "piece meal" them out and have to pay the extra shipping each time they get something I would want. Right now they have FORGOTTEN DREAMS, a rose I had that died, and I wouldn't mind replacing it. But like Zaphod says, I'd probably order more than just the one or two I was specifically looking for if they had a list of everything. I wouldn't mind waiting a few months to get them too, but having to keep emailing or calling to add something isn't exactly conducive to a pleasant shopping experience. I guess I'll just wait and see what comes up and "maybe" get them all at once, unless they sell out of something I really wanted before the others came up. Hmm... I dunno... maybe I'll just go look somewhere else...