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Jim, there is soil under my raised bed. The soil used to be lawn until it was pulled up last year.
Almost every rose is listed as "disease resistant" these days. That being said, I'd rather have something interesting or exotic if I can have only one bush in that space. Mildew is not a problem here since it doesn't rain from April till November ...
I was hoping for a bourbon or moss rose or something else not mass marketish. Thoughts, anybody?
Personally, I would plant one of the smaller tea roses there (my 'Safrano has stayed a mannerly size for over 40 years, and is gorgeous and blooms 11 months of he year) - they bloom constantly in warm climates, and you do not have to spray them. A china rose would also be a good choice (look at pictures of 'Old Blush', or 'Mutabilis') - partly it depends on what kind of rose look you like.
Or, you could build a climbing structure in the bed and plant a pillar type rose.
Jackie
Our best white rose is Pope John Paul II. It blooms better than most of my HT roses, including Mr. Lincoln and Double Delight. We have 3 JPII's in our cutting / fragrance bed with 6 Mr. L's and 4 DD's. The JPII's are disease free (no spraying) are more prolific and repeat quicker than ML and DD. The fact that JPII performs so well while they are all in the same bed, same soil, sun exposure, water, etc. tells me this is an excellent rose compared to 2 of the great roses of all time.
This photo was taken this morning Dec. 26. I am waiting until after the New Year to prune but I stopped dead heading and reduced watering about 2 weeks ago.
One of the top 3 HT's of the 20 varieties we grow. The other 2 great roses for us are Secret and Peter Mayle.
JP II is a great rose, vigorous, disease free, prolific and fast repeat and great cut with a very strong fragrance!
Lee
I thought I would mention my favorite white rose - its a floribunda though: Bolero. Its a Romantica rose - so fragrant! My zone is quite different than yours but did see some nice pics of it in the rose gallery in your zone.
Love your Happy Cows!
I got a Peach Silk a long time ago from Heirloom when it was in their catalog. I liked it so much I asked about it - wanted 2 of them. They must have had them in inventory as they sent me the 2 roses in my order. They are now growing in large pots and I plan to plant them in the ground this winter. Ask and they will probably find one for you. See the other post on this rose - apparently they are available.
Judith
What I might do with that space is plant two Munstead Woods (Austin) in opposite quadrangles and then the low frilly white hardy garden geranium (perennial) in the other two opposing quadrangles. Should be quite dramatic--dark red/purple rose and airy white perennial.
Or for a specimen, I might plant one Bourbon--either Souvenir de la Malmaison or its nearly identical twin Mystic Beauty (available from Roses Unlimited). Perhaps for the first year or two, plant some interesting smaller/low-growing annuals in each of the corners.
Or another specimen choice--taller and more upright growing--try Austin's Lady of Shalott--or browse the Austin site for another taller growing, disease-resistant, floriferous shrub with blooms of a different color. Many of his introductions the past couple years would be excellent choices.
Check the Austin cite here:
David Austin site
Are you familiar with helpmefind.com ? Wonderful data base with lots of photos on just about any rose in existence. Look up other roses there.
You would probably need to buy any of these from an online nursery since they are not readily available in local garden centers.
Good luck. I like the idea of your raised bed there.
Kate
Soooo, what you all are telling me is that instead of worrying about my neighbors pine needles landing in my yard, I should go over and rake her yard to get more of them. Thanks a lot..... just more work for me....grrr..... and I came on here looking for help...... lovely......
Hee hee, Merry Christmas everyone!!!!!!
Hmmm, raking isn't such a bad idea after all........
HAHA Toolbelt. My pine 'forest' has just gotten to the point where it gives me enough straw to use as mulch. I do have to rake it up though.
In most of my beds, I prefer bark chips, which are also pine. But on hills and around the trees, I'm not going to pass on some 'free' mulch. And raking is great exercise.
All right, I have ordered Bolero instead, and told Glamis Castle to eat cake. I never got to the point where scent was an issue, given its early demise. Scent is important to me, and I'd never heard the diaper pail issue. Thanks everybody!
I've also made the decision to move Lagerfeld and give him a chance in the back bed and to replace him with Bouquet Parfait, given that I don't think Lagerfeld is getting enough light.
Here's a picture of Perfume Tiger this morning--it made me happy.
The West Adams district would be Sunset Zone 22, so a coastal influence most (85%) of the time. Ideal for roses. Enjoy!
There are drip-kits for watering containers that you can hook up to a timer. They may or may not be helpful for your particular situation, but something to consider.
I think it's great that you have blooms in December. I'm glad you found a way to beat the deer and grow roses again. Good luck with the new ones. If you ever need a good yellow, you might like Eternal Flame. It grows so tall that most of it would be higher than they could reach.
I think we have two different conversations going on here, and it gets rather confusing who is answering whom and from which conversation.
At any rate, I give up. No solution for my problem, I guess.
Kate
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Here is a link that might be useful: Here is the proof
Regarding Golden Celebration & water needed - I've found it needs no more nor less than other roses here in central Virginia. But we have a fairly high average yearly precipitation at 50" or so - perhaps similar to your garden? This June & July rainfall was steadier than typical, and all the roses loved it - never seen them bloom so abundantly in July before.
As far as support - agree not necessary - depends on what look & form you're after. Decided to corral mine within a structure when it began to reach far into the arms of its companions - though that was a lovely look on its own, it didn't suit the location of that bed between the front walk & porch. (I like the abundant nearly wild look, but my husband prefers a more cultvated restrainment, so we compromise in that prominent location.)
This is my report from July of this year, and you may want to read the full discussion in the link.
Planted Golden Celebration 4? years ago in the center of a garden bed that spans the front porch. Saw within a year that it wanted to grow tall & left it to its own devices to arch for two years trying to figure out how to support it vertically. Assembled a 2-foot square copper pipe obelisk around it rising 9' from ground level. It's not tied to the supports but simply confined within them, which shapes it into a pillar form with the branches finding their own way within the verticals & spilling out over the cross pieces. Like this tall narrow yet full effect, the structure it bears as a centerpiece & the room given other plants in that bed. If the obelisk were removed today, the rose would easily arch down to a width of 15' & overpower the scale of the planting & its neighbors.
Mine started with lax thin canes but has firmed up well over time so the blossoms' stems face outwards instead of nodding as they did at first. The framework supporting it allows it to arch gently & it has many flowering shoots all along the branches. Just counted 18 along 2' of cane, and many of those are budding their own clusters. I've never pruned it, just deadhead the sprays. No dieback here in central Virginia just east of the Blue Ridge Mountains & no disease despite my lazy no-spray ways. At first the blooms came mostly one to stem, but ever since has put out sprays of at least five. Repeats so rapidly, with so many clusters budding as others are blooming that I'd have to call it continuous from mid-Spring past the first frosts - anywhere from mid-April through to Christmas. Love the scent & the nuance of color. Only in temps in the high 90's does it bloom plain yelllow. In the early flush its first Spring after planting the preceding Summer, some blooms were half bright tangerine & half egg-yolk yellow, as if they had a line drawn down their centers. This rose has never ceased to delight & amaze me. May it do so for you!
Here is a link that might be useful: Golden Celebration
I thought we already did this. Oh well, here's my three faves at this moment.... (that changes from day to day)
STRANGER - florist rose Olij-Rozen BV (Netherlands)
REMEMBER ME - Anne Cocker (Scotland)
BROOKS RED - sport of SIGNATURE discovered by Warren Brooks (not really very "red")
Kim gave you great answers to your questions but I wanted to welcome you and add a few things from a rank amateur.
As Kim said, I've had some bloom in as little as six weeks. Sweet little dear was LESS than two inches tall! But then again I just culled some this year because it was their third season without a single bloom. I needed the space and non-performers aren't worth their keep.
Fragrance, like any other trait, is all just a matter of luck and how the genes decide to mix it up. I can tell you that the default code seems to be a non-fragrant single blooms of some shade of pink. You'll get a lot of those.
I'm in a cold zone and I do all my seeds in the winter inside. They spend time in my fridge in plastic bags until they germinate when I plant them up into seed starter soil. I have a pdf paper I can send you on how I do mine. If you're interested PM me with your email address. I'm no expert but I can give you some basics. I have tried winter sowing outside once but nothing came up so I have never tried it again.
p.s. If you bought those "rose seeds" from an Ebay trader in China/HongKong or whatever, it's a scam and you should probably just toss them and hope you didn't get taken for much. Most of what they send out are reportedly radish seeds. They most certainly ARE NOT what is advertised -- roses in fanciful colors, usually.
These are the ones that I was considering.
Here is a link that might be useful: Gardener's Edge fabric pots
I've used 15 gallon smart pots to grow most of our roses to a more mature size before planting. They develop a very healthy root system and don't suffer as much stress when they are planted in the ground.
Also, I can test the rose in the spot I've chosen for it to see how it looks / grows / flowers there. I've changed my mind quite a few times about a new roses' location because it did not grow well there.
If you put the cloth pots on top of soil the plant will root into the outside soil which is a plus until you move the pot. Then you have to pull up those extra roots. There are so many roots left in the bag though the plants don't seem to mind other than needing a little more water than before.
Bottom line is they work really well for me.
Lee