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I did send a comprehensive list to the county of my questions an concerns (I got a lot of good info on the internet regarding pipeline easements). We decided not to ask for compensation for the easement itself. The easements are calculated by length, regardless of width, so since there was an easement on the property when we bought it, we would have a tough time proving loss of value.
However, I did request that the project manager come out to the yard and stake out where the digging will take place so that I could plan to move anything I want to keep. They will be digging up my junipers (YEAH!!!!) and I will probably lose some trees and have to removed some roses (hopefully to be replanted in a few days). I put in my list a 'special consideration compensation' for mature trees that will be lost due to this construction. Hopefully that's not a problem.
Although the easement is 30 feet wide, the digging will most likely be much more narrow, but they have to allow for equipment so that's why it's so big. Hopefully their activities will be limited (I plan on being there when they do the work).
I'm making lemonade here. I get rid of the junipers, get to maybe re-arrange my roses to a better spot, and maybe buy some new ones! Plus we should have less flooding in our yard going forward.
henrobinson - as well as water, the"leaving them alone" advice above is important. That means that you have to protect them from the builders damaging them further by stacking materials on their roots, trampling around them, etc - all of which will compact the soil and might kill them. I would recommend putting some sort of temporary fence around them - at least 3 feet away from the base of the roses. You will probably have to speak sternly to the builders - this is important.
When we had our 3 story house painted, & roof repaired & some walls re-shingled, we chopped the huge climbing roses down to about 6 feet & bagged them in burlap. However, they only survived because my DH talked with the contractors, and told them that it was worth his life (he blamed me, which was fine with me) if they trampled on the beds or touched those roses, or stacked stuff around them. He was here watching them every day (being a contractor himself, he was able to speak their language and schmooze them), and every time one of them stepped onto those beds, he was right there, pleading that they had to save him from spouse-acide by me. I cooked home made cookies for them every day, and between the two of us we saved the roses. It takes more than one conversation, and constant vigilance. Oh, and honey always works better than vinegar...
Jackie
I like Love Potion which is sort of between the two. Not as fussy as Angel Face but a better bloomer than Love Song in my garden. I bought a tree Love Song and a bush Love Song on Dr. Huey roots. The bush has flowered more, but Love Potion still out performs it. Love Song's flowers are magnificent. I'm hoping mature roots will do the trick. Angel Face has fruitier scent and Love Potion is a little sweeter. Angel Face has cute ruffly flowers and a nice shaped plant.
Don't know why my Love Songs never got going this year. I noticed the tree versions at the Huntington were kind of sleepy as well. I mean it's not even growing many leaves and stems. But when the flowers come on, they are outstanding.
I heard so many good things about Neptune. That's supposed to be a big plant. I have Enchanted Evening too. That's a pretty rose, not too big and blooms all year. I really like it.
My new Love Song (on Dr Huey) didn't bloom well for me, either...beautiful blooms in the spring, but then nothing all summer and only two blooms for it's "big" fall flush. I didn't detect any scent with mine when it did bloom. Hoping it will improve as it matures.
Here a mile and a quarter or so from the beach in Santa Monica, Dark Night has been a nice looking shrub in its first season. The foliage is dark and glossy, with no mildew, rust, or black spot yet. The blooms are occasionally stifled by high humidity, but not often enough to take away much from the overall value of the shrub. I don't catch really any fragrance though.
Jay
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Thank you, arbutus, for the additional information. Sounds promising, though I'll have to research Dark Night more if I decide to put it in my Midwestern garden. I'm keeping it on my reserve list for now.
About Peter Mayle: Maryl, in my garden, Peter Mayle is not a "space-eater." In fact, it has been a rather narrow, vertical/upright bush and I've wished it would be a bit fuller on the sides. Maybe its narrowness is due to where I planted it--on the west side of my neighbor's garage (along the property line) stuffed between two bigger and more aggressive roses that maybe force Peter to grow vertically in order to get high enough to get his share of sunshine? Don't know.
Pat, Peter Mayle is a fairly good bloomer for a rose that produces the biggest, fattest blooms in the garden. Like Valencia, which produces the second biggest blooms in my garden, Peter is a bit slow on the rebloom. I think it is because it takes longer for big/fat blooming roses to make those big/fat blooms! On the other hand, nearly all my roses slow down considerably--even shut down-- when we get into hot, hot, hot August--Peter Mayle included. But when Peter (or Valencia) actually bloom, they sure can be show-stoppers, so I forgive them. LOL
Kate
Btw, that's a beautiful shot with Rhapsody in Blue and Lyda Rose. They grow similarly. And now that I'm thinking about it, there's another one that I would put in that mix if it were mine -- Golden Wings. That plant also has kind of a "fluffy" look to it, like the other two, and the color would a nice soft contrast with them.
You're welcome Bebba. Glad I could help. By the time the rust turns black, it's at the end of the cycle and may still be infectious. If you've already sprayed with something and you intend upon maintaining your garden hygeine, all you probably need to do is to do is just keep doing what you're doing. Rust this late in the season is likely nothing to worry about. Disease is, in my opinion, one way Nature "tells" the plants it's time to rest for "winter". Spraying now would probably just waste and pollute your garden needlessly. Good luck! Kim
Hi Cliff
I'm so glad you dropped by to see this tribute! I'd thought about dropping you an email to show you the ED roses in context in my own yard but I got to thinking about how huge an email that would be. Besides, I knew we had many other GW folks wanting to show off their bounty from your nursery. Like Beth, I am also loving my Andre Willemse, First Great Western, Twice in a Blue Moon, and Gilbert Becaud from you, but she has better photos than I do of most of those (particularly the lavenders). It's wonderful to look through these photos and see the striking variety of colors and textures across the different roses! Increasing that diversity is one of the many things we have to be grateful about from the ED legacy.
Seil, I admit I hadn't known that Trump Card had anything to do with Donald Trump, and I find the pun better than the man it refers to by a long shot. Not only is Trump Card a nicer color combination than Rosie O'Donnell, the latter is a name I really would have to struggle to include in my yard.
Nastarana, thanks for the reminder about Sesame Street and Buffy St. Marie. It's amazing how much of our cultural heritage is linked to shows like that from our childhood, though I hesitate to admit I only knew of that show from the kids I babysat (I was a Romper Room child myself - oooh, now that dates me).
I'm glad we've been able to get a chorus of folks posting their roses growing from Eurodesert, and now that Cliff has dropped by it's a great chance to drop him a thanks or tell of a favorite story related to one of his roses.
Cynthia
I didn't think anybody used Benomyl anymore. I am told that many years ago there was something in it that killed a lot of roses. The company never took responsibility. Anyway, I wish the researchers had tested Vegard against what people use now. I've never had powdery mildew so I don't know what they use now... but one needs to know what is available just in case.
Green Cure is an organic pesticide that works very well against PM, its active ingredient is potassium bicarbonate which is a food additive that has a GRAS designation. It is also labeled for black spot & some other problems but most rose people find that it only works well on PM.
I only have 2 floribundas: Livin Easy and Sexy Rexy. I like them both very much. I agree, the name "Sexy Rexy" is awful but the rose is really wonderful.
I am currently tearing out some lawn and putting in a new bed (this has GOT to be my last rose bed!) and I'm putting in Easy Does it. It is a very nice rose.
I generally prefer OGR's to moderns but there are some moderns I like very much.
Ah, thanks Seil. I've had reasonably good luck from others of Sheldon's roses, so I might give Strawberry Romance another try. That is, if I can work out a way to stop the "black finger of death" when I plant grafted roses - I have some new tips to try this year, so I might be buying again from Regan before long.
I couldn't tell CB was a mini, but it's lovely - testament to your photography, of course!
Cynthia
Cynthia, you have so many exquisite photos posted on several of the current threads, I can't decide on which to post my comments--my head is spinning from all the beautiful shots. I just love the artful picture of Rosenstadt Friesing, so unusual and eye catching. But the stunner is the Dames de Chenonceau with Polka overflowing in the background. It's like a cornucopia of beauty. Yum. Give us a tour of your garden, please. And thanks for posting all these photos. Diane
That's an interesting thought. No, it never occurred to me. But if maple tree roots grow that far out, it sounds like something worth checking out. I actually have two half barrels in the back, one of which lost it's metal bands last spring. I have a hosta in it (there's a matched pair), and found some hemp rope last year to hold it together. I was working crazy hours and just didn't have time to replant into a new barrel. If I buried that, the soil should support it even when the hemp decays, I'd think. But what happens when the wood does decay? I know it'll take a long time - it's almost an inch thick, but roses live a long time too. At least, they do when it's done right. :0
But that also brings the question of the Crown Princess. Should she go in protection too? I'd think if she gets as big as predicted, her roots will need more room than even a half barrel? I had planned to add a trellis next spring, close to the house, so there's something for her to grow on.
If there are any openings in the container, the maple roots will come through them. If there aren't, the rose will drown. Containers can help a plant get established under a large, aggressive tree, but aren't really a long term solution.
Getting the right roses is an enormous step forward in being successful. However, very few people from outside of the local conditions have the foggiest idea of *what* the right roses might be. Somebody from Phoenix, for example, is going to have a drastically different take on shade tolerance.