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Paul, last I knew, is also writing for Fine Gardening. His forum hasn't been terribly active lately, but that's not all that unusual for this time of year.

Another rose expert, Hannes, might also respond.

And I second Helpmefind.com. Although when I looked up Westerland, most of the pix didn't match yours.

Lynn

This post was edited by thedogsLL on Sun, Dec 15, 13 at 18:52

plantlovercat, Corn Hill does not ship to the USA, or so I thought. I wish they did; they have lots of good selections for northern tier gardeners.

Nastarana, when I purchased Harrison's Yellow from Corn Hill 20 years ago, they did ship to the US. Several years ago, I noted that they were not shipping to the US anymore. Their current website indicates that they are once again shipping to the US. The following is copied from their "Ordering and Shipping Information" page:

US Customers, please note, due to long delays at the border we can no longer guarantee that plants arrive in good shape.

U.S. Customers
Phytosanitary fee is $15.00US and will be added to the shipping charges.

Here is a link that might be useful: Ordering and Shipping Information - Corn Hill Nursery

Thanks for the input, everyone. As tempted as I am to just stick them in the ground, I will probably just pot them up and put them in the greenhouse. We've already had a bout of unusually cold weather here in SA, so maybe we will have a few more bouts that might threaten any bands placed in the ground. It's just a matter of a few months, I guess. We prune here at the end of February, so it will probably be safe to plant them in the ground by then..... The larger plants I picked up from ARE at the beginning of the month, though, are going in the ground this week! Thanks again!

I just got in a shipment from Vintage Gardens. Some had nice think canes and really looked like they needed the 3 gallon pots. I potted these up. Others were very small with thin canes and looked like they even needed to stay in their band pots a while longer. These, I put in the greenhouse. They just looked too frail to have to deal with the colder weather we are getting. We are in the low 30's at night, sometimes down to 28. Think I will watch these carefully and let them grow in their band pots until after the holidays are over - then mix up a good potting mix and put them in gallon pots and leave them in the greenhouse, putting them out on any nice warmer days we might have. This is Texas after all - so 70 degree days in January are not out of the question. I got a shipment in a few weeks ago from Vintage - potted them all up in gallons and left them outside and some of those are even putting out a bit of new growth, so think they are fine.

In San Antonio, you all will get warmer weather quicker than I will - I think you are wise to let them stay in the greenhouse until mid/late February. Don't forget to let them acclimate to weather outside the greenhouse but putting them out a few hours a day before you get ready to plant them out. You will enjoy watching them grow in the greenhouse - I also start daylily seeds in the greenhouse during the winter.
Judith

I got it this spring. So it was either Hortico or Palantine. Not sure if they have it this year. :)

Alba Medilland.

I like all the Medilland series, and I think Alba is the best of all.

It is really a repeat blooming short rambler, or large shrub. It so far grew well for me in CA, hot and dry, and now is growing and blooming well in NY, cold and wet. Bloom was almost constant in CA, not quite as much bloom in NY, but still does repeat reliably all summer into fall. The small leaves are shiny and seem to resist most diseases; for me it had almost no BS, and no mildew in CA.

Canes are long and flexible and can be easily trained, or left to make a pretty, arching shrub. In my present 5a climate, it is the next best thing to growing Noisettes, having the the same graceful habit and appearance, but no fragrance. It is an excellent landscape shrub which I believe will grow most places where roses can be grown.

If I'm not mistaken, High Country Rosarium used to tissue culture quite a few roses, too. In the late 80's, when Moet owned Armstrong Roses, they had the corporate connection with Delbard and offered Mr. Lincoln, Prima Donna and Double Delight as tissue cultured "Roselings". They were very small, band sized, own root plants which sold for about $19.95. I grew Mr. Lincoln and my best friend bought the Double Delight for his parents. That was the second most expensive rose I'd bought to that time. Kim

This post was edited by roseseek on Sun, Dec 15, 13 at 2:49

I don't have that information Glenburn. I only know that it was very easy to tell the difference. Golden Celebration was one I do know and it always had a strange amount of basal canes coming from the ground and then straight up.

If you had planted them all in the garden soil last spring, I think you would find there is no hardiness difference due to grafted and own root--especially (for Zone 6 gardeners anyway) if the graft had been planted an inch or so under the soil line. (The graft is the more sensitive point.)

I don't think there would be anything to worry about unless the temps started regularly dropping down to 28 or lower degrees.

The other differences might just be due to the natural hardiness of each type of rose. Not all Austins are created equally cold hardy.

I'm not sure if how long they have been planted in pots makes a difference or not. I always plant in the spring, occasionally as late as mid-summer, but that gives my roses 4 months or more to settle in and develop good roots before the frigid winter temps. Some roses may need more than 2 months to develop a decent root system.

Since there are several factors that might affect roses in pots (how about drainage also?), I think it is mostly coincidence that your grafted plants turned yellow before the own root ones did. But let's see what others have to say on this also.

Kate

If a rose is budded on the laxa understock, there would be no problems with below zero cold. Roses will do fine if some sort of mulch is placed around the pots for protection. Own root roses won't survive any better than grafted ones if the rose is a tender type to start with. One gets the opinion that all say hybrid teas have the same hardiness but many are not hardy unless budded onto a hardy understock.

Susan, in zone 7 and colder you must insulate around the pots with something like a pile of leaves. The smaller the pot, the quicker it cools down at night. And rose roots are more winter tender than hardened rose canes, because in nature they are protected by the ground heat. Push the pots together to create thermal mass, leave them in contact with the soil, and put leaves all around the outside.

This post was edited by michaelg on Fri, Dec 13, 13 at 13:21

Damn. I think I've killed some of mine. They feel frozen solid and some of the soil has pulled away from the side of the pot. Have them in black nursery plastic pots.
Oh no. Will there be any change to foliage or stem if the roots are frozen but the plant still had leaves (IOW will I be able to tell if they are dead before spring?).
I went out and pushed them together and insulated them with leaves and pine straw. Some of them were on concrete dang it.
What a dunce I am...
Susan

Too bad, it's out of stock at Heirloom, Palatine and Rogue Valley. Look like I have to be patient and wait some more.

Keep on the look-out....this is a lovely rose. Lesley

If life gives you lemons make lemonade. What a creative way to use a destructive force of nature. I know everything in nature serves a purpose (except Mosquitoes?), but who could have dreamed this up? Not even that Martha woman thought of this one........Maryl

Very interesting.

I love that tale.

Low tech solutions. I love the idea of the sheep going through and leaving tufts of wool. sounds so quaint. :)

You may be able to get a pretty good idea of how big some of your roses would get by visisting the two roses gardens in the city. Both have a good number of Austins. I know the one in Bronx should have a list of their roses on its website.

I cannot say anything from personal experience: all my ownroots are either 3 or 2 years old, and it is too early to tell. I doubt they will get anywhere nearly as big as those in Cali: we have a far shorter growing season and blackspot pressure might also slow things down quite a bit.

Hi Drew

So much depends on the genetics of the rose and the growing conditions that it is really difficult to predict eventual outcomes. Even within the Austin stable, there are huge variations in growth size. What I would suggest is to pay some careful attention to locally grown roses (and probably be more querying than a mere physical evaluation because water, soil types, nutrient factors all have a bearing on the eventual size and shape of a mature rose....which will, incidentally, take a few more years before yours have reached their full potential. Austins typically take around 4 years to really get going....and even then, the girth of the canes will alter, changing the overall shape, from a loose framework at the beginning, to a much sturdier rose after a few years. If you find you are unhappy with the placing, it is a simple task to move them around during their winter rest phase....so just enjoy the growing period and maybe fill in extra space with some direct sown annuals until your roses are nicely filled out. But do be aware, the smaller Austins (Mary Magdalene, Anne Boleyn) hover around 2.5 feet while monsters such as Graham Thomas, Constance Spry, The Generous Gardener etc. can all top 3metres, even in a cool zone 6.

Oh that's too bad. I think we all feel like friends here.
Carol

There's also a discussion of Carol on the Antique Forum. There's a picture of her there.
Carol

Probably if you stake them up once winter is over, they will retain an upright stance and you can remove the supports later. Brrrr that ice looks cold. We had a little frost nip here and got silvery lawns and rooftops but that was all. I read about your ice storm on the Texas garden forum. I'm glad your plants were not broken.

I remember a lot of ice storms in Connecticut when everything was covered with ice and usually the power was out. The roses will be fine. The ice actually protects them. Any problems you have you will see next spring or where you are probably in February or March. Some years we had a lot of canker from freezing and thawing but not from ice.