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I have one Austin that is an accidental ownroot (I came home with a variety of roses and found a cane laying in the bed of the truck next to an expired patent rose.) Disappointed that I had managed to tear the best cane off in transporting, I diced it up and poked them in the ground under glass. Amazingly they all rooted, they were in a bad spot so I moved them assuming they would die, to 3 corners in the same little garden. I had no idea they were not the non patent rose. They grew and grew, filling the corners of the bed and then....a bud. Clearly not the rose I had thought they were all along but instead the Austin I picked up the wrong pot of when buying. I did not want that plant, the reviews were bad, it balls, crisps etc. I was not happy. Now I had this rose I did not want x 4.
Fast forward, that own root grows faster, reblooms more and is incredible. Each of the accidental cuttings is better than the grafted mother plant. I can tie and move the own root canes, the grafted plants canes break off with a stern look. It still balls and crisps, but I no longer care because with so many blooms, some still open. She still nods, but I love that charm and besides with 30 blooms in a couple of feet...what is not to enjoy.
I think that how an individual plant does grafted or not depends on the plant and not so much as the breeder.
That DA also will tip root and provided me with the first seedling at her feet. Maybe it is the anomaly in Austins, but this is one that needs reducing power from the root stock.
Pem - in response to your questions about own root vs. grafted survival, I don't know that there's clear evidence one way or the other. Grafted plants tend to grow a little more quickly in their first summer, which may give them a headstart in their first year on winter survival if the graft is buried deeply enough, but it's a tossup most years.
What the difference is for me is that if I see something sprouting from an ownroot rose I know I get to be excited about the real rose surviving. Too often I've gotten excited about sprouts from a grafted rose only to discover a visit from Dr. Huey the next year when it blooms, and I kick myself for nurturing the little bugger through a whole summer thinking it was my original rose. At least with own root roses, it either survives or it doesn't, and you don't have the cruel limbo of unidentified growth.
Cynthia
This was absolutely the worst winter in terms of winter damage to most of my roses. I have pruned down some of them to half their size due to the extreme winter damage seen on the canes. One rose is completely brown except for some green seen at ground level-- this 'Hot Cocoa' is an own root rose so I am hoping to see some new shoots emerge soon before I do the drastic pruning of the brown canes. The rugosa rose 'Blanc de Colbert' was hardly affected by the winter weather. 'Souvenir de la Malmaison' had to be pruned by half. All the roses had mulch over their roots but no burlap around them or leaves in their centers.These are established roses from at least 5 years in the ground. 'Hot Cocoa' was planted last year.
My Carding Mill - one of my very favorite Austins - has always been apricot, never seen pink blooms on - not sure what could cause it to look pink.....
Boncrow, I was just in Tyler with friends Friday - we stopped by Pandora's Box [an antique and plant shop in Frankston], Blue Moon Gardens then Hand Nursery. The truck was totally packed full - I was sitting with a clematis at my feet, so unfortunately I was not able to go to Chamblees. After Easter, I plan to make a trip back there just to go to Chamblees. Am sure everything will be blooming then! We drove by the Azalea Trail - everything was in full bloom and just fabulous. You really should make another trip "to see the azaleas" then go by Chamblees!!
I am just starting to see blooms - beautiful this morning is Buck's Wanderin' Wind that was a $2 rose from Chamblees sale bin a year ago......
Judith
Jasper, it should do well. Mine always performs it's best when it's the hottest here. It really hates my cool springs and falls and rarely grows much or blooms until at least July. And those nice thick petals open very reliably in any humidity. It's the only white HT I've ever had luck with in my humid Great Lakes area.
It may be 1867, the introduction of the rose La France, Melissa, since that's the year they use in ARS competitions to distinguish between Dowager and Victorian awards. Thanks for the more comprehensive list of classes. I tried to figure them all out once because I wanted to exhibit a newly introduced rose that is in an OGR class and didn't know if it would qualify for Victorian or Dowager or if it had to go in the Shrub catagory because of it's new intro date. In the end they said it could go in Victorian because of it's classification but not Dowager because it was introduced after 1867. It's complicated since some of the classes also have sub classes within them as well. I never did come up with a complete list, lol. Your explanation that it has to do with the date the CLASS was introduce and not the date the VARIETY was introduced is very clear.
It may be 1867, the introduction of the rose La France, Melissa, since that's the year they use in ARS competitions to distinguish between Dowager and Victorian awards. Thanks for the more comprehensive list of classes. I tried to figure them all out once because I wanted to exhibit a newly introduced rose that is in an OGR class and didn't know if it would qualify for Victorian or Dowager or if it had to go in the Shrub catagory because of it's new intro date. In the end they said it could go in Victorian because of it's classification but not Dowager because it was introduced after 1867. It's complicated since some of the classes also have sub classes within them as well. I never did come up with a complete list, lol. Your explanation that it has to do with the date the CLASS was introduce and not the date the VARIETY was introduced is very clear.
It may come back. Do you know if it was deer, rabbits, caterpillars or wombats that did the damage? It if was deer, you need to find a way to keep them away from your plant. They have strange eating habits. They may leave something alone for decades and then it becomes food.
You can try taste or smell based products, but they haven't worked for me. There are three ways to keep deer from eating a rose; enclosing an entire area with a very tall fence, deer cages or training the growth to be above about 4 feet. This is for climbers and staked canes.
Oh, what a shame! I don't have deer (knock wood) but the rabbits do a number on mine. The best thing is a fence or to cage them some how so they can't be eaten. it's the most effective way to go. Repellents only work for a time and you have to be vigilant about applying them regularly. But eventually they get used to it and ignore it and you have to change tactics.
I think your rose will come back. As long as the stem remains green it should grow new leaves. Keep it away from the deer though because it will only have the energy to do that a couple of times before it will die.
I seem to recall mine doing the same thing the first couple of bloomings. Like Kim said, it'll turn purple eventually. It's by far one of my favorite roses.
Here's a couple of pics of mine from a few days ago:
As you can see, the color varies from bloom to bloom and day to day.
Heirloom Roses posted on their website that they are now offering roses in gallon pots, due to customer feedback asking for more mature roses. They are higher priced though. The bands are still available.
Here is a link that might be useful: Video from Heirloom Roses
To me, the yellow looks exactly like rose mosaic virus. And yes, lots of roses can exhibit it, especially if they are grafted hybrid teas. In fact, I seen comments more than once on this forum that most of the rootstock in the US has been infected--which means that most of the grafted roses we buy have it--unless the nursery has taken special measures (expensive!) to get rid it. And most of the nurseries have NOT done that.
The good news is that usually the symptoms of rose mosaic virus just appear for a short time (spring seems to be a popular time) and then they go into hiding. I have an Earth Song--about 6-7 years old--that every once in a while exhibits leaf symptoms. Rest of the year--it looks and blooms just like any other rose would. So I don't worry about it, and if a leaf with symptoms gets on my nerves, I simply remove it so that I don't have to look at it.
Here is my rmv Earth Song--bright pink, and blooming well, in my opinion.
Kate
This post was edited by dublinbay on Sat, Apr 12, 14 at 12:29
Often when the subject of rose viruses comes up, there are comments from growers with hot summers that an infected rose is not a big deal. The early research appears contradictory on this point, The following link is to more recent research in Poland.
http://www.up.poznan.pl/ptfit/pdf/PP44a/PP_44_027-035.pdf
In their introduction they appear to recognize that higher temperatures reduce the effect of infection:
"On the other hand, Wong and Horst (1988) have not observed any effect of viral infection on stem length and total number of rose cut flowers among âÂÂBridal PinkâÂÂ, âÂÂFragrant CloudâÂÂ, âÂÂGrand MasterpieceâÂÂ,
âÂÂSamanthaâ and âÂÂSimplicityâ cultivars. The plants were grown in greenhouse, and the elevated temperatures may have alleviated effect of PNRSV."
The Polish research is consistent with the theory that roses have an immune system against PNRSV that is more effective at higher temperatures.
http://home.roadrunner.com/~kuska/high_temperature_effect_on_pnrsv.htm
Here is a link that might be useful: Polish rose virus research
I love Roses Unlimited, They sent me large, robust, healthy and LOVELY plants that started blooming a few weeks after arrival and neve stop thriving. Stephanie who answers the phone is patient and lovely, even though I was this stumbling idiot when it came to roses. Pat who's the owner is also very nice and considerate in our communications via emails, though I'd recommend communicating through the phone.
I've ordered most of mine on line because the local nurseries don't carry much of a selection. I'll double, triple and quadruple the warning about Grow Quest!!! DO NOT bother with them. I am one of the horror stories out there. Other than that I've had pretty good luck with most all of the other reputable sources. Yes, even Horitico gets it right or makes it right a fair amount of the time. But all of the other places mentioned here are VERY good sources. I have purchased bare roots from Regan on line and they were fabulous plants but they've already stopped sending bare roots out for this year and they don't ship potted plants that I know of.
This is a problem that I run into every year. By the time my season rolls around it's hard to find roses available for shipping because so many of the major nurseries are out west or down south and it's getting too warm there. That and the selection is slim because they're already well picked over by the warm zone buyers. It makes it really hard to find some roses if you live in zones 7 and below. I can't always know a year in advance what I might need or want or be able to afford so I can place an early order. Makes it tough.
I have heard cavies are affectionate and have the nickname of love bugs. I will also buy a rose or plant that my hubbie picks out lol, if he shows a interest I'll get it. He loves to deadhead my roses too, he keeps a pairs of pruning scissors on the patio table so he can snip of a dead bloom at any given moment. If you go back let us know what you come home with! I can't wait to hear how your boscobel does for you.
As soon as boscobel opens I'll be sure to post pics !! I am glad my dh dosnt like to touch the roses , I love to do that myself . One time he wacked down a row of limelight hydrangeas about 7 years ago and that was the last thing I asked him to do ! Lol he humors me and looks at blooms and smells them . And dosnt care if I spend a small fortune on my garden stuff. We can live off hot dogs and Mac n. Cheese ! :) I'd rather have plants .
Seil , you would have loved it there! I know you grow lots of floribundas and they had a ton ! I fell in love with a few , one called jump for joy , white licorice was gorgeous and this one called Anna's promise . I don't even like oranges but maybe my heart is changing ! Lol
Jump for joy ( above)
Anna's promise. Camera doesn't even come close to how pretty it was!
This post was edited by lilyfinch on Mon, Apr 14, 14 at 10:47