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Buford_NE_GA_7A(7B)

blackspot is highly dependent on local conditions and weather. Hot and dry, you probably will not get blackspot. Cool and wet, you will. BS needs about 8 hours of wet leaves to come alive. So unless you are willing to go out on a rainy day and dry off all your leaves, you cannot prevent them from being wet and getting blackspot.

Here in the SE, almost all roses get blackspot, and I'm afraid that Mr. Lincoln does not display any resistance. It may do better in your zone, but don't be surprised if it does get some blackspot.

    Bookmark     May 30, 2015 at 3:46AM
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toolbelt68(7)

Mr. Lincoln was one of the first roses I grew. It came up, flowered with great looking blooms. Two days later all of the petals fell of the blooms. The bush did not have one single rose left with petals. I shovel pruned it but did not get all of the root stock. Not that I didn't try as I dug down at least 2 1/2 feet following a root. I said to myself, if it can come up from down that far it deserves to live...... it came up!!! So I now have Dr. Huey growing. Years later (here on the Gardenweb) I found out his name but at the time it was just another rose. I will never get rid of him as I will not break my promise....

Has anyone else experienced something like this with Mr. Lincoln????

    Bookmark     May 30, 2015 at 6:13AM
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msdorkgirl(11)

The nursery pots here have 4 to 6 square holes, 1/2 inch.

I know some of the roses could use a repot/fresh soil conditioner but I've been putting off trying to do that for the 15/20 gallon. That's gonna be a ton of scratches, dirt and sweat in 80 degree weather.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 7:53PM
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ptsourkas

My pot only had one hole in the center, which was clearly insufficient. I drilled 8 on the circumference and widened the one in the center. I used a Black & Decker that I bought for that purpose, and it seemed to work fine. I used the largest drill bit for the holes (half inch). I would also suggest lining the bottom with beach pebble type rocks. As for the plate, if it has a considerably larger diameter than the pot it's ok to use it, but if it's a snug fit then don't. Good luck.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 10:38PM
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zack_lau z6 CT

The most common reason for smaller roses is insufficient light--which may be a factor considering that there are plants around it. I've routinely grown stunted plants back to full size--but I typically hide them. For instance, when I created the front rose bed, I made two rows separated by grass. The roses in front were mature plants. This year I moved the grass and stuck in smaller roses between the two older rows! I used to put smaller roses in the back yard--but now the front yard gets more light--now that two maple trees are gone.

    Bookmark     May 26, 2015 at 6:06PM
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chris2486

Sometimes when transplanting a rose it can shock the roots for several seasons making for a smaller rose bush. It looks pretty healthy in the photo now putting on new growth. I would feed it regularly and perhaps prune it a little less than the other this next spring. I think it will eventually catch up.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 8:51PM
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summersrhythm_z6a

Thanks for mentioning that Zack, I have to move mine to a warmer spot.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 7:40PM
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openmoon

oh well, looks like.. I was hoping may be I am just not patient enough...

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 7:42PM
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stillanntn6b

About a decade ago, I went to a ParkWayside sale the last weekend in June. They had bareroot roses on sale for $1 each so I did what anyone would do, I bought two each of every rose I didn't have. Over 110 roses. Yep, not 11, 110.

They came home and soaked in the tub, and three wash tubs as I inventoried and figured out what I had.

Then I started planting, in the only place I had, a sunny, hot humid hillside facing south.

They should have had better ammendments, but there were so many.

I watered them. Every three days for the rest of the summer. All broke dormany. All survived. Most thrived, including my hedge of twenty Graham Stuart Thomases.

It was worth the effort.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 6:27PM Thanked by msdorkgirl
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msdorkgirl(11)

Wow, I wish for $1 a piece. I would have bought maybe 50 too :).

I have a 55 gallon barrel, so if they don't cancel my order, I'll soak them in that and some superthrive. This would be my second batch of bareroot roses, so hopefully I will do better with these. The first batch of 4, only two might do ok, one is down to it's last cane but with leaves, and the other one I should really toss since it's black.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 6:32PM
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mori1(5b/6a)

Moondance is fine and will bloom in the next week or two. Its Oregold but its good to know not to waste my money on another one.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 4:51PM
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dan_keil_cr Keil(Illinois z5)

I used to have Oregold. Gold medal would be a good choice

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 6:05PM
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fig_insanity Z7a E TN

For the record, I don't have a "ghetto". All my potted roses live in a very high-class neighborhood, lol.

Seriously, I *think* I have *approximately* 25, the last time I *estimated* and before I *rounded up* and *subtracted* and *replaced* and *substituted*. That's even AFTER the raccoon fiasco.

John

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 5:21PM
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Ken (N.E.GA.mts) 7a/b(7a/b)

Let's see. 2 mini's in decor pots out front, 10 mini's in permanent 7 1/2 pots in the mini/miniflora section on the south side of the house. Another 10 miniflora's in 10 gal. pot in the same section. 4 in my holding section and 5 out in the HT section that will go into the ground starting tomorrow. I only have 1 in a starting pot but that will change a LOT on Monday as I take cuttings and get a bunch started.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 5:53PM
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AJ (6A)

Thanks sell! Michaelg- It's the petals that are wilting, but not normal wilt. They don't even look nice anymore. It's one sad plant. It's planted in the ground. I'll move it tonight or tomorrow.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 11:37AM
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seil zone 6b MI

As Michael said, the roses will fade and eventually drop all their petals. That's normal. To keep the plant looking neat just dead head the old spent blooms. That also will encourage the plant to bloom again!

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 3:29PM
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Donna R zone 6a

Glad your roses are coming back from the dead. Most people don't realize how long it takes when the winter has been so bad. I dug up a wonderful red rose that I just loved last year when I figured it was dead. I should have given it a good 2 months more. I did not know at the time. I feel terrible that I didn't give it a chance.

    Bookmark     May 27, 2015 at 6:26PM
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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

Well Diane, you know in Macbeth there were a lot of Royal Danes (well OK, Thanes) walking around as ghosts, so you never know. I'll be happy if it merely stands, not walks.
Good to know more than 4 photos is possible, and sometimes I can, sometimes not. The Houzz photo system is nothing if not picky.

Don't regret too much digging roses earlier than needed in the spring JJ & Donna - gardening, particularly with roses, is a process of learning. We can almost always get second chances, and our gardens become stronger and more beautiful as we learn.

Cynthia

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 1:13PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Zone 7b is for cane hardiness, the HMF default rating for HTs. The rose will survive some zone 5 winters, but will usually need to be pruned to the ground. There are some HTs that are hardier, for example 'Savoy Hotel'.

Almost all HTs are highly susceptible to blackspot, including DD and Chrysler. One older one that is resistant in most gardens is 'Elina'. 'Prairie Harvest' by Buck is both hardy and BS-resistant, as is 'Mother of Pearl'. Some of the new ones are said to be resistant, including Francis Meilland, Pink Enchantment (Souv. de Baden-Baden), Parole (Buxom Beauty), Grande Dame. Also worth a try in no-spray gardens are Berolina and The McCartney Rose.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 8:25AM Thanked by nickjoseph
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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

Nick - I grow all of the ones you mention and they have survived my zone 5 yard too. Double Delight is VERY late to put out new growth, and all of the ones you mention are not cane hardy. As Michael mentioned, these roses die down to the ground and need all their cane pruned off in spring. Chrysler Imperial grows back well but after about 7 years is a 2-cane wonder with occasional blooms. Double Delight is a scrawny little thing and some years doesn't grow back enough to bloom (sigh). Dream Come True or Heart 'n' Soul are much more reliable "showy" HT roses for me. Tropicana grows back quite quickly, and I'm pleasantly surprised after Corretta's first winter that she seems pretty happy.

All of these should be possible for you in zone 5

Cynthia

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 12:41PM Thanked by nickjoseph
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fragrancenutter(Zone 10b)

Does Fourth of July smell nice? We cannot get it in Australia.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 7:33AM
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bonny46(6)
To my nose, Fourth of July has just a faint fragrance, but other people have said it is medium. In no way is it strong. However, everyone comments on the beautiful colors.
    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 9:22AM
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seil zone 6b MI

Hi Jacquie, I don't grow it myself but have several friends that do. It can be tip hardy in mild winters but in colder ones, like the past two, it dies down almost too the ground. They all have it on a trellis of some sort though. It does black spot and in really hot humid weather the blooms can ball up and not open.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 7:35AM Thanked by jacquierz5bmi
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kublakan

I'm so glad I ordered more roses from Brecks, after all I only have a handful of roses according to this equation. Enablers indeed. lol

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 5:11AM
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countrygirl_sc, elev 1016(7a SC)

after not counting the roses in pots #4, i have 18 roses. 7 fall under #6 and if you count the 2 from cuttings that were given to me, that leaves 9. 1 under #3 and 5 under #5 leaves 3! Rounding down (#7) leaves 2! I'm glad I ordered those 14 from Breck's because I am almost roseless. OH, just realized I'll still only have 2 because of #12. Yipes! I need to buy more roses. kublakan, you will still only have a handful because bareroots don't count. LOL

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 7:22AM
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rosecanadian

Perfectly said!

Carol

    Bookmark     May 28, 2015 at 10:12PM
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AquaEyes 7a New Jersey

Haha -- that was me! And while I'm in NJ now, I'm a New Yorker through and through. I've also been posting pics of my 2-year-old garden in the thread linked below.

Spring 2015 garden shots

:-)

~Christopher

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 7:02AM Thanked by sam 4b Adirondacks
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jeremy067390

I would say dig it out and replant it lower. Dig the hole extra large and include lots of good dirt and organic matter. I have found that generally anything can be successfully replanted even if it has bad root structure like my now 13th tomato plant. It just takes great dirt and waaaaaaaaaaater!!!!!! Like every single morning. I have found the biggest set back is often a year of poor growth.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 5:10AM
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seil zone 6b MI

There could be a lot of reasons why it's not growing but I'm sure it took a hard hit from winter. I would dig it out, getting as big a root ball as possible, and replant it at a lower depth. It might set it back again temporarily but in the long run it will do better.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 7:09AM
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