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mommom, your roses are just going through their normal blooming cycle. The rose will look better if you trim off the ends that are no longer blooming.
Water well (but don't drown them) and regularly. . . and wait. After a rest (anywhere from a few weeks to a month or sometimes even 6 weeks), the bush will bloom again. At the end of that blooming cycle, again trim off the spent blooms, water, and wait--for the next bloom cycle.
One reason your rose isn't doing much right now is that it is still trying to grow roots in your garden. A newly planted rose will probably take about a month or 6 weeks before it starts putting out new vigorous growth.
Patience is a virtue all gardeners have to learn. : )
Kate

Thanks nickl. I somewhat suspected that, the watering of the knock outs, despite the claims how drought tolerant they are. But I was surprised how quickly the cuttings rooted, and rooted very well in just 6 weeks or so. I really didn't expect to see anything so soon, but I had to move them and discovered the well developed root systems. I figured next spring I'd be seeing the results! Thanks again.


Nothing is wrong. Cut off the old, dead, blooms. The blooms on Knock Out don't last very long. More blooms will come. Water.
You mentioned in a different thread that the blooms were "peach". I'm assuming that what you have is Rainbow Knock Out (maybe). Please let us know if that is correct. If so, I find that the blooms of Rainbow Knock Out get very ugly as they age. The care is the same, but the colors of Rainbow Knock Out and the original Knock Out are vary different.
This post was edited by diane_nj on Thu, Jun 27, 13 at 18:57

KO is susceptible to cercospora disease, which is sort of like blackspot but takes longer to kill the leaves. The spots could be that or spot anthracnose disease. (I don't know whether KO is susceptible to that one.) When my neighbor's KO gets spotty, she just cuts it back and removes the bad foliage. It recovers and blooms nicely in about six weeks. Or you could spray with a copper fungicide such as Soap Shield, which is considered organic. This would stop the spread of the disease.
Your foliage is chlorotic (yellowish), which may account for the bright redness of the fungal spots. It is not making enough chlorophyll, and a likely cause is that it needs nitrogen. As a quick booster, you could apply 3 TB of blood meal or 1 TB of regular lawn fertilizer (approx. 30-0-0, no herbicide). I can recommend Rose Tone as a regular fertilizer, one cup every two months.
This post was edited by michaelg on Thu, Jun 27, 13 at 16:47

Carefully examine around the bottom of the canes. Knock Out is *very* susceptible to cane cankers which damage the whole cane and make it more susceptible to everything known to rosedom. If the cane is damaged, that would explain the chlorosis, and the leaf problems. If there is any mulch over the base of the plant, remove it. That's going to be the problem.


Yes, you can take your roses with you. I know of many people that have moved they're roses anywhere from a few blocks away to across the country. We need to know some particulars on the move. When are you moving and how far? How many roses are we talking about?

Here is a rambler to be preserved - America (Walsh, not J&P). This still available and is sold nowhere else.
It was in bloom upon arrival and it was such a surprise and delight. I had been uncertain when I bought it because there are few clear photos of this rose online. But wow, was I thrilled at my choice.
I took this picture which doesn't do it justice. Then the next few days it rained and I never got a chance at a better picture before it lost the petals. I wish I could show everyone how really special it is. I stuck it straight in the ground and it's growing like a weed, waist high at least.


Very nice rambler, ratdogheads. One that I got just recently and still listed as available is 'Mary Lovett' -- perfect quite double creamy white flowers, nice scent, excellent foliage. Even more unusual for a rambler, it's listed as "fair" rebloom. In fact, my band of it bloomed a day or two after I got it about a month and a half ago and now has a half-dozen buds and is set to bloom again. Vintage sole source, it seems, in U.S. (another nursery listed, but it looks defunct).
I got the "Marlowe's Soft Orange", too, Cynthia, but no blooms yet, so glad to hear the good report.

Jeri:
You have to understand what this notice means. ALL pesticides have to follow specific EPA regulations - no exceptions.
This notice means that a particular manufacturer has voluntarily decided they don't want to comply with the specific EPA regulations. By itself, it doesn't mean anything for or against that particular pesticide and/or the active ingredient
Many of those on the list are simply there for economic reasons, The manufacturer is not making enough money on its version of the product and doesn't want to go though the expense of compliance.
It also may be that other manufacturers produce the same product.
For example: You'll notice that Clorox cleaner (active ingredient- sodium hypochlorite) is on the list. I fully expect that you will able to continue to buy laundry bleach (active ingredient- sodium hypochlorite) after January 2014 ;-)
This is a different situation from when the EPA ITSELF issues a notice that they are cancelling the registration on a product and/or an active ingredient.
This post was edited by nickl on Thu, Jun 27, 13 at 9:01

nicki stated: "This is a different situation from when the EPA ITSELF issues a notice that they are cancelling the registration on a product and/or an active ingredient."
H.Kuska comment. Please notice the following from a 2006 government document: "EPA officials say the actâÂÂs legal standards for demonstrating unreasonable risk are so high that they have generally discouraged EPA from using its authorities to ban or restrict the manufacture or use of existing chemicals. Since Congress enacted TSCA in 1976, EPA has issued regulations to ban or limit the production of only five existing chemicals or groups of chemicals."
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nickl, of course your original statement is formally correct that the manufacturer may have decided to cancel on its own. However, it is my impression that the EPA often/always? gives a manufacture with a problem chemical the chance to not reapply (sort of to save face), and as stated above in the testimony quote rarely has utilized the second option.
Thus, the general public cannot say why a product is not reregistered.
Here is a link that might be useful: Actions Are Needed to Improve the Effectiveness of EPAâs Chemical Review Program

jeri:
Do you have a reference to black spot infestation being observed on Knock Out roses? We have been growing the original Knock Out essentially since it was first released and at most have seen only a few insignificant spots on the foliage - nothing that I would call an actual BS infestation.
The same is true of our other roses in the same family, although of course we haven't been growing them nearly as long.
This is an area of high disease pressure for BS, so if it was going to happen anywhere, I would expect to see it here.
The Knock Outs do get mildew - in fact, they seem to be quite susceptible to it. At least two of the growers who called me last year to check out the "black spot" on their Knock Out roses actually had mildew. .So I'm assuming others had it, too.

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I don't pull off spotty (from BS) leaves. If they are yellow and fall off to the touch, I knock those off, but I figure that green leaves are still working for the plant. There is enough BS in my garden that I don't think culling spotty leaves will help regarding risk of infection.
I have a lot of roses that do well but have various levels of spotty foliage. The infection only goes so far sometimes, apparently (just an observation, not something I've researched).
I definitely have a few roses whose foliage yellows and actually drops, so I'm familiar with that, but it might not happen to all spotty leaves, depending on your conditions compared to mine, etc, of course :) MIP has pretty new leaves at the moment, after dropping every leaf she had this year.
I do cut out ugly parts of canes if they look to have anything more than BS on them. But we get cankers/die back so easily in spring that I just don't risk anything weird cane-spreading. I don't cut green canes with BS spots, but if they are going yellow from it, I cut below the yellow. Yellowing canes are usually toast sooner or later, in my experience.

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We got them when they were tiny kittens...
We taught them when they were kittens to stay within our fenced in backyard area and they always have so far after 9 years.
Even with rabbits in the neighbors yards they do not try to leave...
The cat on the left is lacy who loves to catch little critters...
The cat on the right is cagney whom could care less about catching anything...lol
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Precious cats!!! Your digging dogs are awfully cute,too! I have had terrible problems with voles. They are worse than the rabbits. I even considered getting a cat, but I am allergic so......that won`t work! Moles do no damage to my garden, but my yard can become a mess. Mother Nature can be difficult, that`s for sure! lesley

Thanks a lot for the replies! Glad to know its the scent I smelled in the garden center. I received my 2 from heirloom today. Will be putting them in the ground soon. A quick note though, there were 3 bushes in the rose garden of CM, and the other two seemed healthy but one was covered in something (blackspot?) and looked weak. From what I heard though, the disease resistance is good with this rose, am I right? And I'm guessing it needs full sun? Unlike some other Austin's that wouldn't mind shade at parts of the day?
Thanks again!


Of COURSE ignorance and lack of research have kept ND a popular rose. That's how the vast majority of the rose buying public actually buys their roses!
But around here the reason it sells well is because there are so many out there in neighborhoods looking wonderful and people see it and want it. It's that simple.
Now, I also have a theory why in my area there are so many ND and not many examples of other things. In the early 80s we had a several nights in a row well below zero and it wiped out all the teas and other warm weather roses that can do well here. ND is hardy a couple zones colder than most teas and it was still early in the general interest of Old Roses. I suspect many that were lost were unidentified and/or unavailable commercially even if you knew what they were. So they weren't for the most part replaced. But the ND lived on.
As to why I have them by those doorways? We don't use those doors--they are mainly for show. A hallway is on the other side and stray cane blooming on the other side of the window is a pretty lovely thing to see as you walk down that hallway. An quite frankly it's a perennial garden and it's just not that big of a deal to whack it back when needed. And I can whack it back and not worry if I've hurt it feelings or if it's going to sulk. It can completely defoliate from rose slugs and a few weeks later be back in business.
Considering all the temperamental, fragile, accident prone roses out there, there is always going to be a market for a robust one. Don't get me wrong there are things I don't like about it and since I bought them I've discovered other possibilities that might be as good or better and I've considered replacing them. But if I replace them it won't be because of their exuberance!

I have two :) Mine repeat nicely (not continuously, but nice flushes), so I never get the comments about repeat other than to notice that I must've gotten a good clone.
I think her blooms are gorgeous. Much better in person, imho. But her utility for me is that she blooms in so much shade it's unreal!
I have one just cut and transplanted behind 6 ft tall old, old boxwoods and she's even blooming behind them, lol. She'll eventually climb up her wall trellis and find the sun, but I didn't expect that she'd bloom there at 2 ft tall :) The soil isn't great, as you'd imagine with boxwood roots thicker than your wrist. No problem for that girl :D
I'm not going to deadhead her, though! She's to be seen at a distance anyway there. I'll prune/tie once every year and that's it for that area.
My other one grows in evergreen trees under huge maple trees and just does her thing. I prune her pretty severely, but I just don't want her too tall or wild there. The pruning is more severe but it's no more work in my mind than the pruning I do on all my mature climbers.
I never did let her get out of hand in the first place, mind you. That would not be a good idea with New Dawn at all, no :) Bad soil is practically a prerequisite at the least, imho. (That's after she puts out more mature growth, btw, y'all. You could actually kill her as a little baby plant, I'd imagine).

Have Koko Loko here in Chicagoland(z5) planted last spring and has been a disappointment to me. Lost half the plant (while mounded) over the winter and the colors are just okay to me. Honestly, my ten year old Distant Drums is similar in color but much more hardy and free flowering. To be fair, my Koko Loko is grafted and I don't have much luck with grafted.


The photo is of a cluster of four blooms. The picture is darker than real life. The blooms are darker than your picture.
I attached a picture from pickering.
Your rose is absolutely 100%, not Ballerina.