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fig_insanity Z7a E TN

For the record, I don't have a "ghetto". All my potted roses live in a very high-class neighborhood, lol.

Seriously, I *think* I have *approximately* 25, the last time I *estimated* and before I *rounded up* and *subtracted* and *replaced* and *substituted*. That's even AFTER the raccoon fiasco.

John

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 5:21PM
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Ken (N.E.GA.mts) 7a/b(7a/b)

Let's see. 2 mini's in decor pots out front, 10 mini's in permanent 7 1/2 pots in the mini/miniflora section on the south side of the house. Another 10 miniflora's in 10 gal. pot in the same section. 4 in my holding section and 5 out in the HT section that will go into the ground starting tomorrow. I only have 1 in a starting pot but that will change a LOT on Monday as I take cuttings and get a bunch started.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 5:53PM
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AJ (6A)

Thanks sell! Michaelg- It's the petals that are wilting, but not normal wilt. They don't even look nice anymore. It's one sad plant. It's planted in the ground. I'll move it tonight or tomorrow.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 11:37AM
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seil zone 6b MI

As Michael said, the roses will fade and eventually drop all their petals. That's normal. To keep the plant looking neat just dead head the old spent blooms. That also will encourage the plant to bloom again!

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 3:29PM
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Donna R zone 6a

Glad your roses are coming back from the dead. Most people don't realize how long it takes when the winter has been so bad. I dug up a wonderful red rose that I just loved last year when I figured it was dead. I should have given it a good 2 months more. I did not know at the time. I feel terrible that I didn't give it a chance.

    Bookmark     May 27, 2015 at 6:26PM
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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

Well Diane, you know in Macbeth there were a lot of Royal Danes (well OK, Thanes) walking around as ghosts, so you never know. I'll be happy if it merely stands, not walks.
Good to know more than 4 photos is possible, and sometimes I can, sometimes not. The Houzz photo system is nothing if not picky.

Don't regret too much digging roses earlier than needed in the spring JJ & Donna - gardening, particularly with roses, is a process of learning. We can almost always get second chances, and our gardens become stronger and more beautiful as we learn.

Cynthia

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 1:13PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Zone 7b is for cane hardiness, the HMF default rating for HTs. The rose will survive some zone 5 winters, but will usually need to be pruned to the ground. There are some HTs that are hardier, for example 'Savoy Hotel'.

Almost all HTs are highly susceptible to blackspot, including DD and Chrysler. One older one that is resistant in most gardens is 'Elina'. 'Prairie Harvest' by Buck is both hardy and BS-resistant, as is 'Mother of Pearl'. Some of the new ones are said to be resistant, including Francis Meilland, Pink Enchantment (Souv. de Baden-Baden), Parole (Buxom Beauty), Grande Dame. Also worth a try in no-spray gardens are Berolina and The McCartney Rose.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 8:25AM Thanked by nickjoseph
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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

Nick - I grow all of the ones you mention and they have survived my zone 5 yard too. Double Delight is VERY late to put out new growth, and all of the ones you mention are not cane hardy. As Michael mentioned, these roses die down to the ground and need all their cane pruned off in spring. Chrysler Imperial grows back well but after about 7 years is a 2-cane wonder with occasional blooms. Double Delight is a scrawny little thing and some years doesn't grow back enough to bloom (sigh). Dream Come True or Heart 'n' Soul are much more reliable "showy" HT roses for me. Tropicana grows back quite quickly, and I'm pleasantly surprised after Corretta's first winter that she seems pretty happy.

All of these should be possible for you in zone 5

Cynthia

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 12:41PM Thanked by nickjoseph
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fragrancenutter(Zone 10b)

Does Fourth of July smell nice? We cannot get it in Australia.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 7:33AM
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bonny46(6)
To my nose, Fourth of July has just a faint fragrance, but other people have said it is medium. In no way is it strong. However, everyone comments on the beautiful colors.
    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 9:22AM
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seil zone 6b MI

Hi Jacquie, I don't grow it myself but have several friends that do. It can be tip hardy in mild winters but in colder ones, like the past two, it dies down almost too the ground. They all have it on a trellis of some sort though. It does black spot and in really hot humid weather the blooms can ball up and not open.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 7:35AM Thanked by jacquierz5bmi
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kublakan

I'm so glad I ordered more roses from Brecks, after all I only have a handful of roses according to this equation. Enablers indeed. lol

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 5:11AM
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countrygirl_sc, elev 1016(7a SC)

after not counting the roses in pots #4, i have 18 roses. 7 fall under #6 and if you count the 2 from cuttings that were given to me, that leaves 9. 1 under #3 and 5 under #5 leaves 3! Rounding down (#7) leaves 2! I'm glad I ordered those 14 from Breck's because I am almost roseless. OH, just realized I'll still only have 2 because of #12. Yipes! I need to buy more roses. kublakan, you will still only have a handful because bareroots don't count. LOL

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 7:22AM
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Pesticides Anonymous meetingsI have been pesticide sober for 1 year.
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rosecanadian

Perfectly said!

Carol

    Bookmark     May 28, 2015 at 10:12PM
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AquaEyes 7a New Jersey

Haha -- that was me! And while I'm in NJ now, I'm a New Yorker through and through. I've also been posting pics of my 2-year-old garden in the thread linked below.

Spring 2015 garden shots

:-)

~Christopher

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 7:02AM Thanked by sam 4b Adirondacks
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jeremy067390

I would say dig it out and replant it lower. Dig the hole extra large and include lots of good dirt and organic matter. I have found that generally anything can be successfully replanted even if it has bad root structure like my now 13th tomato plant. It just takes great dirt and waaaaaaaaaaater!!!!!! Like every single morning. I have found the biggest set back is often a year of poor growth.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 5:10AM
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seil zone 6b MI

There could be a lot of reasons why it's not growing but I'm sure it took a hard hit from winter. I would dig it out, getting as big a root ball as possible, and replant it at a lower depth. It might set it back again temporarily but in the long run it will do better.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 7:09AM
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view1ny NY 6-7

Summer, I was looking at the Wayside website but was put off by so many negative reviews online. I had been thinking of Tranquility, Molinieux & everlasting amethyst hydrangea. I'm just not in the mood of dealing with a hassle if the plants are disappointing. Have you ordered from Wayside?

    Bookmark     May 28, 2015 at 8:12PM
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summersrhythm_z6a

Yes, I have ordered a lot since I saw John's thread. :-) I received 12 of them so far, and 10 more are on their way, and my rose friend at work just asked me if I wanted to order with her again today, I put down for 3 more. Lol

There are some photos of the roses I received on John's thread . The roots were huge, and the roses all have David Austin's rose tags on them. Some of them are own root roses. I am pretty happy about the roses I received so far, the roots are much bigger than the ones I ordered from David Austin Roses in TX, and I paid about $120 for 4 DA roses 3 weeks ago.

The 10 roses on their way are 6xTranquillity, 1 Alnwick, 2x Carding Mill, 1 Heathcliff.

Happy shopping! :-)

    Bookmark     May 28, 2015 at 9:04PM
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jasminerose4u, California(9b)

I don't see "view", just "Join for Free".

    Bookmark     May 28, 2015 at 7:48PM
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henry_kuska

On my computer, I am a member so I get to read it directly. On my wife's computer (she is not a member) a small screen appears asking her to join free. After Xing out that small screen, the "view" is still active and clicking it gave the full paper.

    Bookmark     May 28, 2015 at 8:40PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Three posts, lol!

    Bookmark     May 28, 2015 at 7:02PM
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phasedweasel(7b)

Thanks - I emailed them this morning, they're the last I haven't heard back from.

    Bookmark     May 28, 2015 at 4:20PM
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summersrhythm_z6a

Good luck dear! :-)

Also you can try Burlington Roses in CA.

    Bookmark     May 28, 2015 at 6:49PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

Put your hand behind the stem, and support it, while washing with water.

Or you can just brush/squish them. If you leave them, as ozmelodye says, birds will eat them.

Don't use pesticide. That's like trying to swat flies with a sledge hammer.

Don't use oils in hot weather, or when hot weather is expected. You will burn the foliage, and do far more damage than a few aphids.

Don't worry. Between birds, predatory insects, and rising temperatures, they will soon be gone.

1 Like    Bookmark     May 28, 2015 at 5:48PM Thanked by Ivan Ferdous
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henry_kuska

When roses are attacked by aphids, they produce a chemical that repels further aphids.

"Author: MILES P W
Author Address: WAITE AGRIC. RES. INST., UNIV. ADELAIDE, ADELAIDE, S. AUST.
Title: DYNAMIC ASPECTS OF THE CHEMICAL RELATION BETWEEN THE ROSE APHID MACROSIPHUM-ROSAE AND ROSE BUDS
Published in: Entomologia Experimentalis et Applicata, volumn 37, pages 129-136, (1985).
Abstract: "Dynamic aspects of the chemical relation between the rose aphid [Macrosiphum rosae] and rose buds.In warm weather, M. rosae (L.) walks off buds of hybrid tea roses during a critical period coinciding with the opening of the sepals. This behavior could not be related to histologically detectable barriers to feeding, nor to changes in the water content of the tissues or in their composition with respect to total soluble carbohydrate, amino nitrogen or phenolic compounds; major changes in tissue chemistry, effected by spraying the bushes with urea, did not affect the time at which the aphids left the buds. Tissue sap expressed from stems and sepals showed a significant increase in catechin content after, rather than during, the critical period. Once expressed, however, sap from buds at the critical stage showed a sharp in vitro rise in catechin content over a few hours, up to levels approximating those against which the insects discriminated in choice tests. The insects could well be sensitive to a developing capacity of tissue to accumulated catechin, possibly in response to their feeding activity."

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1570-7458.1985.tb03463.x/abstract;jsessionid=9592B0EB479135BE3145694EC09E96AB.f02t01?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false

1 Like    Bookmark     May 28, 2015 at 6:49PM Thanked by Ivan Ferdous
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seil zone 6b MI

Yep, buds galore here too! It won't be long now before we'll all have pics to share!

    Bookmark     May 28, 2015 at 6:43PM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

Blooms started coming the past couple days here...

Yes post pics of your blooms bonny46! :-)

    Bookmark     May 28, 2015 at 6:48PM
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