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I have Harlekin and Nahema in our zone and they do very well for me also. I think our Harlekin would be very pretty with an existing crimson.
Three Weddings is beautiful in our zone, but not great on rebloom. I also love my climbing Abe Darby and SDLM.
Throwing in a non-rose climber that you may like for your gazebo, I'd suggest you look into the wisteria 'Blue Moon'. It's a cultivar of one of our native species of wisteria, so no worries about it taking over (or possibly not even being winter-hardy) for you. It also reblooms lightly and intermittently. It might make a nice complimentary climbing companion to whatever roses you select.
Some clematis might be a good idea as well -- many offer blooms during the Summer when many climbing roses aren't doing much.
:-)
~Christopher
hi, Charleney,
I live in the central Puget Sound area and have been here for about 4 years now. I am glad you are feeling better and want to garden.
Like everything else, there is a lot of different advice given on fall pruning that I've read. The Olympic Rose Society recommends cutting back moderns 1/3 about Thanksgiving, but they are a tad bit colder and probably windier than Seattle. I think Olympia is 7b. Other regional ARS groups (Seattle and Tacoma) only mention spring pruning that I've seen. What I come away with from the different opinions is that if you prune your roses now you won't kill them. Likewise, If you don't prune your roses now, you won't lose anything.
Practically speaking, what Lyn mentions, is also what I've read. The leaves transfer their stored sugars into the canes before they drop so if you cut back too much too soon into the moderns, you can possibly cut into their energy reservoir. My leaves (prob zone 8a) haven't ever fully dropped, though, so I am not sure that the transfer is taking place completely. I expect your leaves don't fully drop, either.
But to be safe, what I would do is cut out the dead wood and do some light trimming of thin canes or ones that are going to whip around in the wind and then wait until February or so. You won't hurt anything by waiting and we really might have a very cold winter, in which case the roses might actually need what's in the canes.
Just another opinion! Gean
Gean ...
Good to see you posting !
I usually have to wait until the end of March or early April before I can begin to prune. However, my 8a zone is located at a higher elevation than yours and I think we have winter temps longer than you do in your garden.
You are correct in that a modern rose pruned at the wrong time will survive. Mrs. J's roses were deer-pruned for three years before I got them caged. My deer just pruned whenever they wanted to feed on the rose and did not prune correctly. The roses lived in spite of them.
Smiles,
Lyn
Well I'm sorry to have doubted y'all if it's that apparent! I will have to consider moving this at some point. Glad to have an idea of what we have.
I could possibly train it up a Coral Tree if/when it gets large enough in its current location. The Coral Tree has been on the removal list for a few years, but I don't know how keen my mother is to have it removed.
There's also a red/pink striped rose she got from Home Depot this year that I cannot identify. I assume it's either a Coiner creation or something else not listed on their website. This picture isn't great, but it's a classic hybrid tea in habit. Reminds me of Red Intuition somewhat, but it had no label. This is the only picture of a bloom I've taken since they don't really do the flowers justice. It was right after she got it earlier this year. Any idea? I emailed Coiner Nursery months ago, but have never gotten a response to my knowledge.
Thanks again,
Jay
Well, that looks like Pink Intuition, the lighter sport of Red Intuition. But I've never know Home Depot to carry either one -- Red or Pink Intuition.
Here is a link that might be useful: My Pink Intuition
Thanks for the suggestions, many good ideas. My DD is new this year. It's grafted and is about 3 1/2' tall and is a vigorous grower. I bought it for the love of the color and just stuck it into a new empty bed. My dilemma is that I'd like to fill that bed with OGRs and possibly Austins. I just don't see DD fitting in with it's upright growth and shiny foliage. So I have some rearranging to do. I have a bed with modern roses that is red/yellow/orange and I'm thinking I could expand that and use DD as a transition to mauve and purple. It's tough to get a good sense of the shape of a rose bush based on online information.
Yes we have many many many projects going on. Thanks for the info on posting pics. Guess I'll have to get photo bucket up and running again lol. Yes I will post pics of the finished project or as close to it as possible. Working on it today infact trying to move my desert rose from inside to out and same with one very stubborn aloe. We also have an orange tree growing in the back yard we recently found out. When we bought the house there was a vine choking what I thought was a dead tree. Well we trimmed the vines back and found out it was still alive the bottom was flourishing away from the vines and producing fruit. Needless to say we quickly did away with the vines to rescue the tree. The fruit it bares however is sour oranges.
Andrea, let me venture a more "meta" answer to your question, "What will it do for my roses?"
The answer is the same for all 17 essential plant nutrients. An adequate supply will allow the plant to grow normally; a deficiency will keep it from growing normally. An excess will have no effect, or in some cases will cause problems. A few micronutrients are toxic in excess. A number of nutrients, if present in great excess, can interfere with the uptake of other nutrients. (But banana peels are not going to cause problems.)
So instead of piling on stuff that somebody says is "good for roses," the better approach is to know what is in your soil and fertilize (or not) accordingly. If plants aren't growing well, get a soil test. Lacking a soil test, proceed with caution.
Gardeners would like to believe they can make plants do one thing or another by adding extra amounts of this and withholding that. Unfortunately there are lots of garden books and articles that encourage that belief. But it's not the way plant nutrition works. As an example, you may have read, "nitrogen for green growth." But nitrogen is also required for roots, stems, flowers, fragrance, fruit, and any development whatsoever.
Henry, I appreciate the photos of your roses. They are amazing. It is also nice to see what a rosarian like you chooses for breeding. After seeing how much you like folksinger and illusion I am going to find them for myself. You really are an inspiration.
SCG
SCG - sounds like you have a choice that suits you, and all of us on GW understand having preferences and wanting to be different from the norm around us. I agree with Henry that Folksinger is a terrific rose and it blooms consistently through the summers in part shade and in my zone 4 pocket of my yard.
Johnnycabot, SCG - glad you like the pictures as well as the cane hardy list! I'm always happy to share them and enable fellow cold zone rose people.
Henry, that's fascinating to see all your rose crosses! You should start a thread of these on your own so more people have a chance to see these! I particularly like #436 from New Mexico and #324 Prairie Harvest X R-15. And oooh, if #325 cross between Folksinger and Illusion turns out to be a climber, I really want one! That's exactly the color I'd like to see in a good hardy climber, and with those parents the odds of good winter survival are excellent. Since these are the "keepers" are you planning to propagate and distribute them any further?
Cynthia
Can Peter Mayle take some shade? I don't really know--except to say that mine get shade all morning--the sun doesn't hit them until about 1:00--but then it is sun all the rest of the day. I sometimes think they would like it better if there were some shade for relief from that late afternoon sun--a killer heat in Kansas!
Oh hoovb--everytime I see a pic of Munstead Wood, my heart goes pitter-pat, pitter-pat! Those dark velvet tones just about knock me over. Love that plant!
Kate
Thanks, Pat and hoovb, for your gorgeous photos and Kate and Cynthia for sharing your experience. I think I know what I'm going to do and then I change my mind again.
Pat, your experience is very helpful. I like GD better after seeing the whole bush when in bloom and hearing that the fragrance is so strong. If it can handle heat and humidity that well, it sounds like a serious contender. The old-fashioned nodding look sells it for me even though I don't think that American Beauty blooms nod like that. But to be honest, it was a very long time ago. Oddly, the thing I remember best is their fragrance and this rose sounds like it has plenty of it.
Cynthia, I was afraid that VF would be similar to the other hybrid teas in preferences and disease resistance. None of the ones I've tried here have ever been happy. However, your description of the Austins make them worth considering. Also, I really like FD/Barcelona and would love to use it somewhere, even if I don't grow it in this bed. I was hoping it would grow better for me than the other hybrid teas and it sounds like it may. Maybe I should buy one of each? My husband will love this idea.
Hoovb, that picture very nearly made my decision for me! Wow!
Right now, I'm thinking I will go for Grande Dame and either FD or one of those Austins. But I have changed my mind three times in the last two days so it could happen again. Thanks, everyone, for your help.
Thank you rose specialist for sharing the possibility of virus transfer through the miccorhizae fungi. Here is a 2013 Ph.D/ thesis on this subject:
http://www.biblio.colpos.mx:8080/jspui/bitstream/handle/10521/1999/Cruz_Gutierrez_EJ_DC_Edafologia_2013.pdf?sequence=1
Here is a link that might be useful: link to thesis, in Spanish, but abstract in English
Henry, I came across this thinking while attending a woody plant conference at swarthmore college. The college has the Dean Bond Rose Garden and RRD was showing itself. They are attempting a plant diversity approach to the garden. In October, I am going down for a perennial plant conference. I appreciate the place and its plant collections. Last, with your wealth of knowledge and networks. How could I possibly get my hands on Pompone Juane?
Tom Carruth gave a presentation on this at the Orange County Rose Society last week. He's the new curator of the rose garden at Huntington sinced his retirement from Weeks (about a year and a half). Some of the changes looked fantastic. The garden is no-spray and all organic.
Hoovb, You forgot to mention Dennison Morey. J&P had two breeders at the time of Gene Boerner. Denny was on the West Coast. He gave us many good roses, including King's Ransom, Proud Land & South Seas. His Temple Bells became the bloodline for today's ground covers.
Rumor was that Boerner would never allow Morey on the property of the NY breeding station.
Bill Warriner was hired to replace Morey right before Boerner's death.
amanda I didn't know about Dennison Morey and very much appreciate your adding to the story!
I was interested in the historical evolution of a 19th century American company of enterprising family farmers to 21st century corporate "brand" selling product from contract growers. Was just googling around to see what I could find. Anyone else know more? Will the OP forgive the thread hijack?
Frederic M's width would probably be constrained as the deer nibble off anything sticking out past the cages. This grows so fast. It seems almost ideal for your situation. I forgot Sugar Moon, it's as tall as Honor but has a different blossom shape and better fragrance.
The end of the season is fast approaching and I STILL SEE DEAD THINGS! Have all of your JB's come MY way??
Their numbers have dwindled down but each day they still exist. I mash about a dozen @#$*!! daily. Planters and pots being emptied and put away here. Leaves maybe half the trees are down to rake. No fall showing for me-a few perfect specimens on Purple Passion or Heirloom. Disneyland going to give me a few. Hot Cocoa ruined, also 4th of July and my silly old Knockout. If there are no flowers they eat the leaves anyway. sigh...
Congrats Steve-don't give in- even expanding your rosegarden--wowzer send me some of that enthusiasm!
I'll feel better come spring.
My SM is as Harry described. Mine is a standard, one tall bloom ...nothing nearly as spectacular as kitty's. Wow!
Thanks for all the information. Hopefully I will get lucky w my Sugar Moon since one of the things that attracted me was that there were several blooms and a bunch of buds yet to open. And I loved the scent. Today I found a spot for it and will plant it this weekend. I planted my Liv Tyler in a nice, sunny location earlier today. I'm already excited for next spring!