22,795 Garden Web Discussions | Roses

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Patty W. zone 5a Illinois

So envious here at the wonderful selections you have to choose from. Oh my the prices I'd be pushing and dragging a cart.

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fig_insanity Z7a E TN

Shame on you! (For making us feel deprived, lol)

John

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KarenPA_6b

Wow, just absolutely beautiful roses, everyone! Beth, what a fantastic collection of "black" roses you have! I don't I have the space to grow all of them so I really appreciate seeing them here. Thank you Cynthia for starting this thread.

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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

Yes, they are all so beautiful and quite breathtaking. Kate, isn't Munstead Wood gorgeous? I love the composition of your photo with the dark beauty of MW against the lighter colored roses. Oklahoma is a rose I've long admired--I should have one myself. Yours is lovely. I, too, have found that as these dark roses age, they grow darker. Twilight Zone, in its third season, has finally put on some impressive size and its blooms are larger and darker, though they always have been pretty dark. It's also blooming a lot more this season, in spite of the hideous heat and high winds that won't go away (ugh). Ebb Tide also has improved a lot in color tone the last couple of years, but it is a more mature rose than TZ. Munstead stepped up the dark color this year, too. So, I guess maturity really does help enrich those colors.

Beth, your dark rose collection is envy producing and I can't pick a favorite, though I love the photo of Black Magic, which is perfection. I think I'm most intrigued by Kuroshinju, a very unusual rose. Thanks for posting all those pics.

Thanks, Cynthia for your comments and this thread. I hope to see more dark rose photos posted. Diane

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Campanula UK Z8
  • yeah, it was that glaucous, almost turquoise foliage which got me too. Mine is just ramping up to its second flush - one thing this rose does here, which I like a lot, is to have a massive all over spring showing then nothing at all until mid-August ...when you look in it's direction and realise it is absolutely bulging with buds...although this is one of the only roses I give a hard dead-head to stop it growing too tall. The later flush is as generous as the early one (and in a mild year, there is another go-round in late October). I have mine growing with phlox which neatly mirror the dark- centred two-tone blooms.
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jerijen(Zone 10)

Camps, that foliage really IS a "grabber" isn't it? Mine is "resting" right now (but it's still small, and other things near it are also resting, so that's OK.

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ziyakr(6)

The last survivor is a tough little guy. Here are a couple of pics, a little out of focus but apparantly I could have good color or good focus.

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msdorkgirl(11)

If you got yours from the same place I got mine (came in green bag by regular mail) ... none of the roses I received are winners and I intend on asking for replacements of 2 or 3 out of the 4 (1 died, 1 has only bloomed once, and the two left are struggling but ok).

Mystery pink hybrid tea -- plant has two viable canes 5 months in, thrip damage not due to nursery

Suspect this is Queen of the Lakes

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countrygirl_sc, Upstate SC(7a)

oh, I forgot that after many tries I had rooted my original Pink Peace and had it with some other rooted cuttings outside. Well, we had a sudden sleet storm so I brought the 4 or 5 babies into the living room. The next morning I found Pink Peace lying on the floor. My Godzilla of a daughter had come through to get something and it had snagged on her long skirt. She pulled it out of the soil instead of gently removing it or asking me to help...and she didn't think to tell me!!!!

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Campanula UK Z8

dog lead. My allotment neighbour used to tie her dog up with a long lead. Supposedly meant to be lying on the path, the dog would invariably loll in my border leaving the area flattened. Annoying but when the dog decided to walk around, it's lead tangled in a large rosa primula...which, against a huge flat-coated panicky retriever stood no chance - the whole rose snapped at the weakest point - the graft union, so I was left with just rootstock. A battle of attrition has been going on since (the french beans and a lemon queen helianthus were the latest squashees but I have fiendish plans for English trenching, narrowing the path to 18inches.

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henry_kuska

Another possibility, the translator was not a rosarian or was just a machine.

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rosaceae

Thank you SO much, Henry!

I used to have this miniflora from Home Depot that was labeled simply as "Rosal Forever" (Forever Rose Bush), it was yellow with orange-red edges, but I couldn't find an ID anywhere. The blooms were incredible, with darker, saturated maroon streaks on the undersides; the plant, sadly, was a mess. In the same series, there was a mauve with a lovely fragrance, and not very full. I didn't get it in that chance but I wanted it, alas, couldn't find it either.

Going through the website out of curiosity I stumbled with it.

http://roses-forever.dk/brands/roses-forever/assortment/

Here is the orange one, and the mauve. Zurich looks beautiful too. At least now I know their names :)

Now onto the collection you posted about, they look quite pretty! You can see them all here. Sweet Family, Sweet Baby, and Sweet Love Story have my attention. I hope they're better plants than what I now know is "Val di Sole"

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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

'Lady Emma' is a hearty 6'x5' here. Petite Austin style, though not an Austin, 'Golden Buddha' is quite nice. 2x2. Tough to think of Austins that stay small. They mostly don't in California. Sharifa Asma is on the smaller side, but it's pink/white blend. 'Jubilee Celebration' is small-ish, 3-4'x3-4'. Not really a heat lover, so that might work for 15.

The thing you also need to consider in 15 besides mildew is: are the flowers going to open properly in the damp climate? Lots of petals, opening gets dicey in the dampness.

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rhoder551 zone 9b-10

hoovd--thank you for the Golden Buddha rec. Love the color and the fragrance sounds delicious....

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chris2486

Hi Jim,

PP does well in my fall blooming well into November in Oregon - actually being one of my latest bloomers. I think it is a rather compact plant and I think Kordes chose not to introduce it in Germany because of its small stature in a cooler climate. I am hearing some good results for the rose in USDA Zones 5 & 6 so I think it will be fine just perhaps a more compact plant.

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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

Thanks Chris! How long does the blooms last on the bush on PP...? Do blooms blow fast or last? Thanks!

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pat_bamaz7

Thanks everyone! I was afraid transplanting would be the consensus...sure would have been less gross to have done that initially, and I would have avoided the unpleasant stages of decomposing along the way...lesson learned!

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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

Great story! Best wishes! Even though I'm a guy I don't like spiders & snakes...lol

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Buford_NE_GA_7A(7B)

Good Luck with your show. Ours is on October 3rd. Our theme is The Wizard of Oz.

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diane_nj 6b/7a(6b/7a)

Thanks. Ours is a week after Fall Nationals, so we might not get much, but we are hopeful!

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henry_kuska

Thank you Michaelg , For the record do you plant roses so that the graft line is below, at, or above the soil line?

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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Below. I assumed people would know not to cut the graft off.

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Ninkasi(6-7 Germany)

omg. There are no words for that haunting vampire bloom! How exquisite and unusual! Thanks for sharing, what a creative and talented hybridizer.

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mmjau zone 6

Wow! I have been looking for this rose!! Anyone know where to buy Davids "Vampire" rose? I love his darker roses! http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.66923&tab=36

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Beth zone 8a Dallas, TX

The question of do leaf cutter bees sting has been answered. Until today there would be 8-10 swarming around while I was out in and among the roses. This morning there were about 50 flying around and when I started watering they started getting a little anxious. Before I knew it one flew into my arm and I felt a sting. Yep, started whelping up and I started having a reaction. Out came the Epi Pen followed by prescription steroid. Grandson came over this afternoon and found where they had built three nests so he dug them out and took them down. Hopefully without their nests they will move on. Not sure what I'll do if they don't.

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Beth zone 8a Dallas, TX

I'll have to see if I can get them out of the trash tomorrow for a picture. We have a teak patio table and teak chairs that are small slats laid in a board on board pattern. The had layered tubes attached to the small slats. They kind of looked like mini cigars. In one place there were about 8 attached side to side in the cavity between boards, then in another about 15 while the third only had 3 together. He had to look real hard to find them because we weren't looking for something that looked like that.

They can hang out and build nests and pollinate all they want I just can't have them nesting on and around the patio table or chairs. After some research we may have to look at building them some nesting locations and hang them from the eaves of the house.

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Barbara in Seattle

Nice. Thanks for sharing.

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