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wirosarian_z4b_WI

I keep my mulch 4-6" away from the rose stems (in z4 my bud union is buried) & I try to put on 2-3" at a time. You say that your mulch is "fine", most info I've seen recommends something courser like wood chips to allow rain/water to run thru. I use wood chips that I can get "free for the hauling" at a site run by my city gov't where they haul their tree trimmings. I am a big advocate of using local mulch like this rather than buying it, think "mulch locally" just like you frequently hear "eat locally". Below is a link to some good articles to read on mulching.

Here is a link that might be useful: Hort. Myths

    Bookmark   June 15, 2013 at 12:53AM
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Preen is made out of corn gluten. It's not a chemical. Diane

    Bookmark   June 14, 2013 at 7:29PM
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kentucky_rose zone 6

Treat yourself and hire some extra help even if it's just for a day. This can be an early birthday, anniversary, Christmas, etc. gift. Good luck!

    Bookmark   June 14, 2013 at 9:48PM
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kentucky_rose zone 6

Finally getting mine under control with the active ingredient in Orthene, spraying the tops every other day 3 times. The brand is Bonide, not Ortho.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 7:51PM
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kpfl81

Most of my buds hadn't opened, but I did spray it inside a couple -- didn't notice any negatives.

There is some information on bioworks website related to small volume applications which calls for about 1 tbsp/gallon. Plus they are very responsive to consumer calls/questions.

The thrips here have been virulent for about the last 4 years with no end in sight. I'm convinced the bastards have decided to make Maumelle, Arkansas their permanent HQ.

I did the Orthene treatments. And yes Orthene will kill them, but my residual results have been far superior with BontaniGard. With Orthene, I only felt like it was effective for 24 hours. Plus the Orthene just smells so awful. Botanigard is odorless. If you have roses that are blooming, the last thing you should want is the sour death stench of Orthene (or the additive mercaptan which supposedly makes it smell so bad). I'm not saying this product is for everyone, but for me it's a dream come true. The image of lifeless thrips in a bloom is beautiful!

The fungicide timing is tricky, but with a little scheduling it's not bad. Bioworks has a list on their website of compatible fungicides and the time intervals for application. I'm thinking of going with Cleary's 3336 and alternate with Mancozeb or Banner Max (is it best to mix in a contact fungicide every couple of weeks or alternate between 2 systemics?)

    Bookmark   June 14, 2013 at 7:00PM
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nickl(Z7a NJ)

Please don't take this personally or feel insulted, but I did indeed get a pop-up while trying to access that link. .I'm not trying to start a war over this, but I'm also not saying anything that isn't the case. I should say that it is privacy settings, not security settings - my error.

This is the pop-up:
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"This website uses the digital subscription service Press+ to manage access to its content. In order to bypass the message you are reading and access our site, we need you to enable your third-party cookies or switch to a different browser. This will enable Press+ to store small bits of information in your browser that enable the site to function properly.
(followed by technical geeky stuff )"

Please let me also say that I do appreciate the links to articles in your other posts..

This post was edited by nickl on Sat, Jun 15, 13 at 9:25

    Bookmark   June 14, 2013 at 4:00PM
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henry_kuska

nickl, my e-mail address is kuska@neo.rr.com. If you e-mail me an address that will accept an attachment, I will send you a copy of the article.

    Bookmark   June 14, 2013 at 5:16PM
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mlle_melanie

Tammy, it does, thank you! I keep forgetting that while I ask, "Will it survive the summer?", most others are asking, "Will it survive the winter?" :)

    Bookmark   June 14, 2013 at 2:53PM
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9

Melanie, my answer is in your post on the antique rose forum.

Ingrid

    Bookmark   June 14, 2013 at 4:16PM
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the_morden_man((Z4-Z5) Ontario, Canada)

Pictures would really help a great deal. Both of the blooms and of the foilage of the apparent non-Iceberg variety.

Also, climbing Iceberg is not really a great choice for our climate and zone. It isn't hardy enough to be a true climber each year and since it is also somewhat BS prone, this tends to weaken the plant going into the following year. The shrub version of Iceberg does just fine here however and has enough vigour to regrow each year despite the BS.

    Bookmark   June 14, 2013 at 3:10PM
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clax66

Hi Diane,
I just went outside to take some photos and sure enough..the closed rose had opened up a bit since a few hours ago and is looking more like her sister. I've uploaded the photos here.

They...look the same....she says sheepishly:(

Well, that's a good thing! Problem solved!

Thank you for your kind response;)
Mira

    Bookmark   June 14, 2013 at 3:13PM
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bethnorcal9

Mmmm.. I can't really say where I got my plant from. The person who rooted it doesn't have any left and doesn't want to propagate any more as they felt it wasn't stable enough. I'm just thankful I was able to acquire a plant.

    Bookmark   June 9, 2013 at 10:28PM
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Airen21(8a)

This one is also advertised on Amazon:

Black Dragon Rose Seeds Bush Flower Seeds

its very obviously a scam. but alot of people actually buy them!

http://www.amazon.com/Black-Dragon-Rose-Seeds-Flower/dp/B007G2KBXQ/ref=sr_1_14?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1371219254&sr=1-14&keywords=roses

    Bookmark   June 14, 2013 at 10:19AM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

Looking good DNTQuilter! :)
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sunflowersrus222,

We have a large calendar hanging in which I write down the days it rains, when I fertilize or whatever...
Keeps me on track... lol
We have had so much rain that I only have had to
handwater my newly planted baby Heirloom Roses once since May 15th...

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 9:54PM
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sunflowersrus222(7a Pa)

Same here Jim1961. Lots of rain. I've only hand watered mine 2x's. Loads of rain. Doesn't look like there is an end to the rain either. We get breaks from time to time but it's rained nearly every day.

    Bookmark   June 14, 2013 at 7:42AM
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111janm

hi tammy,thanks for that. im in the south,really cold and not much sun on north wall at the moment

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 9:07PM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Roses don't need sun in the dormant season.

    Bookmark   June 14, 2013 at 12:08AM
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seil zone 6b MI

Thanks, Tammy!

dsd, love your patio pot garden! That's sort of what I was trying to do with mine, decorate the edges of the patio, but yours is much prettier!

I think my oldest potted one is Folklore at 7 years. You do have to occasionally root prune them and repot them. For me I can go a round 4 or 5 years before I have to do that but for you, with your much longer growing season, that may be only 2 or 3 years. It's usually pretty easy to tell when they need to be repotted. When you water them the water will immediately start running out the bottom of the pot because there's little soil left to hold it. I pull the root ball out of the pot, cut it back by about half and then repot with fresh soil...or find a bigger pot, lol!

I'm always hunting for pots and pick them up when ever I come across a good deal and just stash them until needed. End of season sales at places like Walmart, Home Depot, Lowes or Big Lots are good places to get them cheap. Also check your local hardware stores. I've gotten some good deals at Costco too.

I start out the spring with a slow release granular fertilizer scratched in. Then at least once a month with some liquid spray or drench fertilizer and organics, like fish emulsion. Watering depends a lot on the weather but I have a moisture meter and I use it! It help save me a ton of money on my watering bill because before I just watered about every third day because I didn't know if they really needed it or not.

A 3 gallon pot is pretty small and a full size rose will out grow it in a season. A mini might last a few of years. A lot depends on the rose itself and how vigorous it is. Most of my pots are at least 15 gallons and I have a collection of 20/25 gallon ones for those permanently potted HTs..

For years I used Lowes Stay Green potting soil because it was the cheapest. I recently switched over to the Miracle Grow Moisture Control because we found it at a great price at Costco. As long as it's a good quality potting soil it doesn't matter which brand but I do try to stay away from the ones with fertilizer in them. I want to have control of when and what they get.

I hope I got all your questions, lol!

Yes, displaced, one of my beds is along the street and people regularly help them selves to blooms. I don't mind usually but when they do it the day before my rose shows I freak out! I've put signs up telling people to ask and I'd be happy to cut some for them but it did no good so now I pot the show roses.

Frenchcuffs, yes and no. Usually it's whatever ones give me a decent bloom to cut show week, lol! I'm still working on my HT collection and haven't done very well with those. But I have won mini queen a couple of times, once with Robin Alonso and once with Snow Ruby so I'd say those were my favorites! My show Is Saturday and SR has a very promising bud coming!

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 2:53PM
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frenchcuffs13(z8a)

Wowo Seil- Good luck! Mini's are fantastic, love 'em.

let us know how it goes and post pics! I love seeing all the beauties on the tables

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 11:28PM
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frenchcuffs13(z8a)

Oh Deb, I'm so sorry. I had to do the same.

I miss Sharifa Asma the most. With a window open she would perfume the whole house.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 11:15PM
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plantloverkat north Houston(zone 9a)

Hi, Deb.

I lived in Bartlesville for a couple of years over 10 years ago. We lived about 5 miles east of town, and really liked it. I hope you end up liking it as much as we did.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 11:25PM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

Your pics are fantastic! :)
Heck its been colder here and our roses just
started blooming about 6 days ago...

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 9:41PM
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frenchcuffs13(z8a)

Yep- I'm completely green with envy! Really gorgeous roses you have there. Twilight Zone looks fantastic too. It's been nothing but twig here.
Thanks again for sharing!

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 11:10PM
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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

A real nursery or some one you found on eBay who lives in Tennessee?

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 10:12PM
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TNY78(7a-East TN)

Looks like USA Seed is located in McMinnville (Warren or Dekalb Co Maybe?) They have all but 1 negative review on Dave's Garden. Pays to do research before you buy. Just sad that they get away with more times than not.

Tammy

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 10:24PM
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hartwood

In answer to the original question ... when I have a little bit of spray left in my sprayer, I go back and respray the roses that I know are the most susceptible to blackspot. The diluted solution doesn't keep, and it's bad for your sprayer to leave it in there.

For the side discussion on the use of combo products ... I always recommend that folks take the most direct, most effective way to solve a given problem. Fungus on rose leaves? Spray fungicide on the leaves. (Instead of using granules or a drench on the soil then hoping that the rose takes up enough of the chemical to be effective.) I don't use insecticide of any type in my garden ... not even soap.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 12:30PM
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DNTQuilter

Buford - I realize the BS didn't come from the mulch. I stand corrected, as my post did imply that I was attributing the powdery mildew and BS to the mulching.

Kate - I respect your opinions on the multiproducts, and I thank you for expressing them. I set out to get the Bayer Advanced Garden Control last weekend, but alas, Lowes did not have it.

I did what I did, and hopefully I won't have to do it again. However, I could not have what looked like flies and more on S%^& in my front yard for any length of time. I am 100 percent certain that the flies etc. came from the mulch.

Scott

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 9:05PM
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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

The last flush we had was more of a silvery pink

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 7:18PM
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kentucky_rose zone 6

Pepto Bismol pink

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 7:45PM
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