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catsrose(VA 6)

It seems to take DJ a while to get established. I'm with Ann--give it time. Do be careful of watering, tho. Clay can have drainage problems. Another thig to check is that there are no air pockets. Stick a couple of fingers in deep. The soil should be firm. Often, when bareroots get planted by nurseries, the soil is too loose. When it settles, it leaves air pockets.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 8:50AM
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gardenheat(9b)

Don't give up. Don Juan is a vigorous climber that produces an abundance of deep red roses. I grow two in full sun in Las Vegas. These plants receive sun from the a.m. Until about 4 p.m. .. It has been over 100 degrees for two weeks or more and the 90s before that. My first blooms were in early April and the bushes have not been absent roses since then. Anything that does well in this heat... Should survive moderate temperatures in other places barring winter damage....Good Luck! I hope you get to the bottom of it.

    Bookmark   June 11, 2013 at 12:02AM
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buford(7 NE GA)

I have a rose bed which has a border of at least 2 feet wide walkway, then my lawn (bermuda) the Bermuda grass can grow underneath the 2 foot walkway and invade the rose bed. I don't think stone edging will keep it out. I just edge any beds with a gas edger attachment and pull out any stray grass that gets in my beds. Usually after a rain, they are easy to pull out.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 6:14AM
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lainey2(7a)

I believe it, Buford. I was looking for an easy way out.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 11:47PM
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TNY78(7a-East TN)

Really pretty, Susan! Even with as many roses as I have, I don't have a single standard...not sure why, I love when others post picture of them :)

Tammy

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 9:36PM
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susan4952(5)

Thanks, Tammy. I am just so shocked at how well she has done! You should give them a try. I have black cherry and April in Paris in the ground in Chicago, so you could do very well in your zone. Another pic. Just Joey.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 11:42PM
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ken-n.ga.mts(7a/7b)

After looking at the roses that Dewars are selling as 'Red Sensation', then looking at Sensation on HMF, they look like an almost perfect match. Only way to know for sure is to e-mail Dewar and ask.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 9:50PM
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Chaoticdreams(8)

Hey, thanks for the help! I really appreciate it. :)

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 11:03PM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Roses are more vulnerable to PM when their foliage isn't getting enough water from their roots, which often happens on young or transplanted roses. Keep the plant well watered though not drowning and as it settles in it may be more resistant, if it is not a cultivar prone to PM. Some are. You can spray off the foliage with water every morning, provided it is sunny/warm enough to dry in a few hours, to wash off spores. You could spray with a fungicide if you are really concerned.

PM spores float through the air for miles and miles, there isn't anything you can do about that except keep your plants as strong and healthy as possible, so their natural resistance can best protect them.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 10:44AM
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seil zone 6b MI

As hoov said the PM is just out there and only needs the right conditions to show up. Often times greenhouses have those conditions so it will show up there. Transplanting a rose can stress it and make it more susceptible too. You've planted it now in a good location so chances are it will clear up on it's own.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 6:27PM
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mgleason56(Michigan 5b)

I saw this at a local nursery here and it looks great! For anyone in the Detroit area it is available at Telly's in Troy.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 4:15PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Oh, that's beautiful!

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 5:32PM
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jacqueline9CA

Can you post a picture? That would make it easier to respond. Many roses show different shades, and sometimes even different colors, depending on the weather.

Jackie

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 5:04PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Pictures will help. Do you know the name of the rose? What color is it? Is it cooler now? A lot of roses will have a deeper color in cooler weather.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 5:25PM
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archoo16(5b, MO)

Thanks guys. I never would have thought just taking them outside would have made such a difference! They gt sun all day at their old spot , yet they were sickly. Like Seil said must be the lack of humidity.

Now I cant wait for the red gorgeous blooms. Will update a pic when they start.

    Bookmark   April 7, 2013 at 11:11PM
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sunflowersrus222(7a Pa)

I'm wondering how your roses are doing now. Been following this thread and watching for updates.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 4:55PM
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diane_nj 6b/7a

OGRs (or any rose) can have better vase life if cut at the right time. If cut too late, then yes, they will have a short vase life. Most do best when just starting to open, sepals down, first row of petals unfurled. I have kept Marchesa Boccella for 5 days when cut at the right time (I exhibit from time to time).

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 4:39PM
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diane_nj 6b/7a

OGRs (or any rose) can have better vase life if cut at the right time. If cut too late, then yes, they will have a short vase life. Most do best when just starting to open, sepals down, first row of petals unfurled. I have kept Marchesa Boccella for 5 days when cut at the right time (I exhibit from time to time).

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 4:40PM
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greentiger87

Thanks Henry. That is a little mystifying.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 4:18PM
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henry_kuska

greentiger87 I can send you a copy of the paper if you e-mail me your e-mail address that accepts PDF attachments.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 4:29PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Andrea, the EarthKind folks in Texas have a protocol for planting roses in clay where they till into the topsoil 3" of expanded shale (similar to Turface) and 3" of compost/manure to create a raised bed. They say it works well.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 10:42AM
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andreark

The Turface didnâÂÂt arrive and my raised bed is scheduled to be
Completed today

My new raised bed will contain:
34 cu ft of fill soil (mineral)
4 cu ft of top soil (containing compost)
3 cu ft of EB Stone rose mix
3 cu ft of NavletâÂÂs compost
1.5 cu ft of EB StonâÂÂes aged steer manure

This will be sitting over 8 inches of amended soil which in turn
will be over dark clay.

What do you think?

Thanks for your help,
andrea

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 1:07PM
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the_morden_man((Z4-Z5) Ontario, Canada)

Therese Bugnet should thrive for you.

Also received your email. I think you may have confused Hortico with Pickering Nurseries. Hortico is famous for shipping mislabelled plants, not Pickering. Palatine is still the best choice if they have a plant you want. The quality of their bare root roses is outstanding.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 12:11PM
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mad_gallica(zone 5 - eastern New York)

Corn Hill is a good nursery in northern New Brunswick. I haven't ordered from them personally because they aren't really setup to ship across the border, but Canadians who have dealt with them have been pleased.

I'd also recommend the botanical garden in Annapolis Royal if you haven't been there.

Here is a link that might be useful: Corn Hill

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 12:53PM
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mad_gallica(zone 5 - eastern New York)

There is also spray burn. That usually shows up as small dots.

Without knowing where you are, it is hard to judge what is more likely.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 10:34AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Yes, the fineness of the spots sounds like symptoms of mild damage from chlorothalonil fungicide (Daconil), especially on 'Double Delight' and a few other varieties.

bebba1, if you are going to ask questions here, it would really help to say what region of the country you live in. This was an issue in your other thread last week as well.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 10:48AM
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henry_kuska

There are a number of products with Ortho Rose Pride in the name. One is labeled for mites.

"Ortho RosePride Insectm Disease & Mite Control gives systemic protection against aphids, thrips, whiteflies, mites and more for up to 2 weeks. This product can be used on roses, flowers, and ornamental shrubs"

I do not know if it works on this mite.

    Bookmark   June 9, 2013 at 9:33PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

The most common Rose Pride product is a fungicide (triforine) that would have no effect on mites or RRD.

The stringy, feathery look of the bad growth is typical of RoundUp damage.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 10:29AM
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roseseek

I won't presume to advise that in every climate, soil and situation it makes little difference. I will state that in my zones 9 and 10 gardens, the main difference fresh over composted made was temporary chlorosis and some vegetative centers. Both of which rather quickly dissipated. I watered copiously prior to applying the manure. I kept it just under the drip zone (away from the shanks, trunks and crowns of the plants) and over the rest of the entire surface of the beds. I watered copiously afterwards. The drainage was good in most of that garden, with a few spots where the soil was a bit too "loving". With that heat, two to three inches of horse manure, kept regularly moist with overhead, oscillating sprinklers, became a thin layer of earthworm castings like material in three months. There were spots I had to make the original planting holes with a large power auger. After keeping it mulched with horse manure for a summer, I could sink my shovel in to the handle digging holes. Soil which initially resisted water (it rolled right off) became easy to water. It just soaked right in.

I witnessed others attempting to duplicate those efforts along the coast where the temps were many degrees lower and the humidity many percentage points higher. Kept regularly wet, it didn't "digest" as it did in the valley heat. I had no mushrooms or other fungal fruiting bodies. In the "Perma Fog", there were many mushrooms and the manure took months longer to disappear. A much thinner layer performed much better in those conditions. Kim

    Bookmark   June 3, 2013 at 1:17PM
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susan4952(5)

A frosting of well rotted manure is in my clean up, prune routine. If it is too thick it forms a crust that may keep water and food away from the rose. I try to form a berm so spring rain will wash it into the drip line. It keeps weeds down. Eventually , when broken down, I cover it with decorative bark chips. My roses love this. I do not have a huge BS problem. Next year I plan to mix Dr. earth in the manure application. This sounds so yummy. C :

    Bookmark   June 9, 2013 at 11:01PM
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