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And another one bites the dust...this is getting to be a frightening trend.

We're all aging. Add the weather and economic tolls to the mix and it isn't surprising. There doesn't seem to be any new, "young blood" entering the industry, so expect more of it. I've never dealt with them, but I share your sense of loss and wish them the best. Kim

Here's a hint that may help. I remember years ago when I moved to Texas--2 states over. I had lots of medium and large houseplants and wondered how to move them. Dad grabbed a couple of tall wastebaskets and a (clean) garbage can out of the stack of items to be moved and put a plant or two in each one. They rode happily to Texas, well-protected and some guaranteed air space around them. (I used the same method when I moved to Kansas three years later.)

I would think that would work for potted roses also.

Hope that helps.

Kate

I think you've gotten great advise here so I'll just try and reassure you that they'll do fine for the move. I know a lot of people who have moved they're roses potted up all across the country and they did great!

Thank you, everyone.

You make a good point, Henry, about there being more than one virus under the RMV umbrella. There are a lot of variables involved and one rose with RMV could preform completely differently from another even if they're the same variety.

I think Twilight Zone fits the definition of bluish purple. It's not reddish. I'm sure it's available somewhere in Canada, possibly even locally for you, since it's a popular rose right now. A bluish lavender rose is Blue Bayou, which, at this point, is pretty hard to get. Here's a pic of Twilight Zone. Diane

The two darker purple roses with the "bluest" tones are Blue for You, which is only available right now from Chamblee's Roses, and Rhapsody in Blue, which is more readily available. Greenheart has Blue for You in production to be sold to growers who will then grow on the plugs to retail size plants. I'd think you should then find it in big box stores and perhaps other nurseries. Both of these can give you some pretty "blue" tones. The alternatives are newer lavender roses such as Novalis (Poseidon) and Blue Bayou which appear to be pretty much sold out from most sources from what I've seen. Kim

Those are some seriously gorgeous pictures of gorgeous roses - every single one of those above. Wow!!!!
Carol

Thanks, Carol. I'm glad you're back and hope you are feeling better. We need your rose enthusiasm. Diane

The problem with the Knock Outs isn't the rose, it's the fact that most of them are in huge mass plantings that NO ONE tends. They plant them and forget them. Oh, someone may go by in the spring and prune them down with hedge trimmers and maybe if it's really dry throw some water on them (not even that in most cases though) but they're not really cared for. So when one plant does become infected it isn't caught immediately and ripped out and burned. It stays there infecting more and spreading the disease (and the mite that carries it) to more and more places. I know several people who have seen infected plants and notified the business of the problem and still nothing was done. They aren't rose people and they don't care.

Seil, that makes perfect sense. And i don't see an easy solution.

I picked my Flawless up at Lowes 3 years ago. It does produce very nice blooms. I discovered that the fullness of the bush when I first purchased it was due to the fact that they had put 4 bushes in the same pot. Separated out the "bushiness" was greatly reduced, and to this day it is not a particularly leafy bush. However the flowers keep coming, and are such a pretty shade of pink that it's growth pattern has so far been ignored. It has also proven to have better then average disease resistance. Short, large flowered roses are perfect for some landscaping situations (containers too) and usually hard to find. FLawless is a good example of one....Maryl

I just ran across this thread. I just returned home, from Lowe's, with Deja blu. I am really curious as to how yours did. I also saw flawless but left it behind since I wasn't planning on grabbing the 2 I did. :)

I hope your Deja Blu has been thriving since!
~René

What a nice guy you've got!! Congratulations on your sweetie!!
Carol

Thank you, Carol.

Thanks, Seil! I think I'm doing a little better - but if I compared myself to Friday night (when I came home) - I would probably find myself in substantially less pain. Thanks for the nod to Dolly Parton - yay!! Dee-Lish - guess we'll have to see. This must be a new rose?

Thanks Sara-Ann - Prayers are soooo welcome! Thanks for your kind thoughts. :)

Wirosarian - oh, really?...hmmm...that's too bad. I haven't heard yet if mine is available. I think I ordered that one from Hortico.

Thanks, Kim! I guess I could have figured that one out by myself. :) Let's blame the pills (for pain) LOL

Thanks, Pat! Yay for prayer power!!

Kentucky-rose - Thanks so much!! Now I want to do as well as Petaloid!!
Carol

Hello. I hope you feel better and better every day!

I have Love's Promise - it's called Red Cross here. I bought it because of the hype about its supposed scent and continuous blooming. I love the look of the flower but it's barely scented and it's a sparse boomer so far. I'm thinking of replacing it with Firefighter.

I'm in northern jersey, zone 6A. I got an own root from Chamblees that literally grew 3 feet in one season, the tallest out of all of my roses. It's definitely a climber, the canes are tall and needed to be tied to the fence behind it. The flowers are beautiful, last abnormally long for an austin (like 4 days) since it was a one year plant I only got a few blooms but they didn't have much scent, which is normal for me and young plants. I'd give it a year though to get better.

One thing i must say though, it is very very thorny. I'll try and get a picture up of the thorns. Thorns don't bother me though, if the plant can prove itself to be good thorns don't matter at all to me.

Let me know of you need anything else.

Drew

This post was edited by zone6-nj on Fri, Feb 14, 14 at 17:31

I am from Texas so cant attest to hardiness in zone 5 [though it has seemed like it here the last few weeks]. I really like this rose - it gets very large on my big fan trellis, healthy foliage and lots of blooms. Yes, its thorny, but that's not a problem. It is a really pretty rose and very healthy. Chamblees prices are great - I would suggest trying it and mulching well in winter or laying it down and covering with burlap and hay. Am sure you will be pleased with it.
Judith

How is the US so different from England? For one thing, latitude. Much of the US is south of the latitude of the British Isles. That changes the angle and intensity of the sun and its effects on color development and retention. The differences in color of the same variety on the same rootstock between two places such as here in KC and Milwaukee, WI, for instance, a place farther north, are quite noticeable. The color difference between Milwaukee and Seattle, close to the same latitude but different climates, is not that much. England is also not so big that the ocean air effects are completely lost on the interior of the country. That is not true here. A humid continental climate such as most of the US has wider temperature variations than a coastal marine climate. As for any states in the US that have a climate similar to England, northern Oregon and Washington west of the Cascades are quite British-like. Roses that do well in England do well there. Some of them may do okay in the Midwest, but not many of them.

If I could suggest one alternative, I would have a look at Palatine's catalog and look at the Kordes variety Summer Sun. That one might be okay. I am not growing it, but it would be on my list to try if I have the space and my Summer Songs kick the bucket. Just my suggestion, for what it is worth.

The question you asked is so simplistic that it is difficult to answer. I don't live in the US obviously, but you can't even compare one state to another so the whole of the US compared to UK is impossible. Generally though, we are a lot further north, David Austin is in Shropshire, which is on a similar line to North Germany, virtually Denmark, and Saskatchewan in Canada. It's rare on here for there be such a consensus on one rose so I would take that on board. One thing I don't get though, why introduce the sport of it 'Carolyn Knight' are they hoping to prey on peoples credulous simplicity?

Thanks for your imput. It's so beautiful I tried to order it anyway, but sadly Roses Unlimited is all out, and thats where I prefer to order my roses since I live here in S.C. Trying to order a Sonia Rykiel instead as I'm looking for a nice pink addittion to my garden.

mzstitch,
I have 'Colette' buried in a 5 gal. container (gophers) about 5 yrs. and I assume the roots have grown thru the drinage holes. With minimal pruning she's stayed about 4 1/2 ft. And here everything outgrows listed heights.

She's not a dense bush, rather twiggy & open. I have a salvia that intermingles plus annuals/perrenials around her. Sometimes she's pink. Mostly apricot pink. More of a charming rose rather than a beauty.
Irisgal

My heart goes out to those of you in the south and northeast who are experiencing yet again unusually severe weather conditions. This has been a tough winter up here as well. According to the US map, I am actually in zone 4 although it is shown as zone 5 in Canada. The deep snow cover probably is a blessing as everything - roses, perennials, bushes etc. - are completely blanketed. Its good to see that there are other cold weather rose growers on the forum. It gives me hope and encouragement.

Plenty of cold zoners on this forum! Welcome to the optimist club. I also think I will have to prune WAY down this spring. And if they don't survive? Well then we will already have holes dug for the new guys.

My experience is that the color of Munstead Wood is deeper and darker.

The main difference I'm seeing so far is that MW has a very different bush shape--it is much shorter than WS2000 and never has that awkward sideways spread that WS2000 specializes in. In fact, MW tends to form a most shapely and graceful bush so far--but mine is still relatively new, so we'll see in another year or two.

I do like both--and I grow both. Given their differences in size and shape, they serve somewhat different functions in a garden.

I think, if I had to make a choice, I like the MW bloom best, but that is not meant as a put-down of WS2000's beautiful quartered blooms. Both are beautiful.

Kate

Thank you, Kate for the detailed description of both plants. It really helps me a lot in my selection. If space and time is not limited, I would go for both. But Mustead Wood definitely fits my need. Thanks again.