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mgleason56(Michigan 5b)

I saw this at a local nursery here and it looks great! For anyone in the Detroit area it is available at Telly's in Troy.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 4:15PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Oh, that's beautiful!

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 5:32PM
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jacqueline9CA

Can you post a picture? That would make it easier to respond. Many roses show different shades, and sometimes even different colors, depending on the weather.

Jackie

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 5:04PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Pictures will help. Do you know the name of the rose? What color is it? Is it cooler now? A lot of roses will have a deeper color in cooler weather.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 5:25PM
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archoo16(5b, MO)

Thanks guys. I never would have thought just taking them outside would have made such a difference! They gt sun all day at their old spot , yet they were sickly. Like Seil said must be the lack of humidity.

Now I cant wait for the red gorgeous blooms. Will update a pic when they start.

    Bookmark   April 7, 2013 at 11:11PM
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sunflowersrus222(7a Pa)

I'm wondering how your roses are doing now. Been following this thread and watching for updates.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 4:55PM
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diane_nj 6b/7a

OGRs (or any rose) can have better vase life if cut at the right time. If cut too late, then yes, they will have a short vase life. Most do best when just starting to open, sepals down, first row of petals unfurled. I have kept Marchesa Boccella for 5 days when cut at the right time (I exhibit from time to time).

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 4:39PM
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diane_nj 6b/7a

OGRs (or any rose) can have better vase life if cut at the right time. If cut too late, then yes, they will have a short vase life. Most do best when just starting to open, sepals down, first row of petals unfurled. I have kept Marchesa Boccella for 5 days when cut at the right time (I exhibit from time to time).

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 4:40PM
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greentiger87

Thanks Henry. That is a little mystifying.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 4:18PM
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henry_kuska

greentiger87 I can send you a copy of the paper if you e-mail me your e-mail address that accepts PDF attachments.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 4:29PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Andrea, the EarthKind folks in Texas have a protocol for planting roses in clay where they till into the topsoil 3" of expanded shale (similar to Turface) and 3" of compost/manure to create a raised bed. They say it works well.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 10:42AM
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andreark

The Turface didnâÂÂt arrive and my raised bed is scheduled to be
Completed today

My new raised bed will contain:
34 cu ft of fill soil (mineral)
4 cu ft of top soil (containing compost)
3 cu ft of EB Stone rose mix
3 cu ft of NavletâÂÂs compost
1.5 cu ft of EB StonâÂÂes aged steer manure

This will be sitting over 8 inches of amended soil which in turn
will be over dark clay.

What do you think?

Thanks for your help,
andrea

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 1:07PM
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the_morden_man((Z4-Z5) Ontario, Canada)

Therese Bugnet should thrive for you.

Also received your email. I think you may have confused Hortico with Pickering Nurseries. Hortico is famous for shipping mislabelled plants, not Pickering. Palatine is still the best choice if they have a plant you want. The quality of their bare root roses is outstanding.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 12:11PM
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mad_gallica(zone 5 - eastern New York)

Corn Hill is a good nursery in northern New Brunswick. I haven't ordered from them personally because they aren't really setup to ship across the border, but Canadians who have dealt with them have been pleased.

I'd also recommend the botanical garden in Annapolis Royal if you haven't been there.

Here is a link that might be useful: Corn Hill

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 12:53PM
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mad_gallica(zone 5 - eastern New York)

There is also spray burn. That usually shows up as small dots.

Without knowing where you are, it is hard to judge what is more likely.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 10:34AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Yes, the fineness of the spots sounds like symptoms of mild damage from chlorothalonil fungicide (Daconil), especially on 'Double Delight' and a few other varieties.

bebba1, if you are going to ask questions here, it would really help to say what region of the country you live in. This was an issue in your other thread last week as well.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 10:48AM
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henry_kuska

There are a number of products with Ortho Rose Pride in the name. One is labeled for mites.

"Ortho RosePride Insectm Disease & Mite Control gives systemic protection against aphids, thrips, whiteflies, mites and more for up to 2 weeks. This product can be used on roses, flowers, and ornamental shrubs"

I do not know if it works on this mite.

    Bookmark   June 9, 2013 at 9:33PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

The most common Rose Pride product is a fungicide (triforine) that would have no effect on mites or RRD.

The stringy, feathery look of the bad growth is typical of RoundUp damage.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2013 at 10:29AM
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roseseek

I won't presume to advise that in every climate, soil and situation it makes little difference. I will state that in my zones 9 and 10 gardens, the main difference fresh over composted made was temporary chlorosis and some vegetative centers. Both of which rather quickly dissipated. I watered copiously prior to applying the manure. I kept it just under the drip zone (away from the shanks, trunks and crowns of the plants) and over the rest of the entire surface of the beds. I watered copiously afterwards. The drainage was good in most of that garden, with a few spots where the soil was a bit too "loving". With that heat, two to three inches of horse manure, kept regularly moist with overhead, oscillating sprinklers, became a thin layer of earthworm castings like material in three months. There were spots I had to make the original planting holes with a large power auger. After keeping it mulched with horse manure for a summer, I could sink my shovel in to the handle digging holes. Soil which initially resisted water (it rolled right off) became easy to water. It just soaked right in.

I witnessed others attempting to duplicate those efforts along the coast where the temps were many degrees lower and the humidity many percentage points higher. Kept regularly wet, it didn't "digest" as it did in the valley heat. I had no mushrooms or other fungal fruiting bodies. In the "Perma Fog", there were many mushrooms and the manure took months longer to disappear. A much thinner layer performed much better in those conditions. Kim

    Bookmark   June 3, 2013 at 1:17PM
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susan4952(5)

A frosting of well rotted manure is in my clean up, prune routine. If it is too thick it forms a crust that may keep water and food away from the rose. I try to form a berm so spring rain will wash it into the drip line. It keeps weeds down. Eventually , when broken down, I cover it with decorative bark chips. My roses love this. I do not have a huge BS problem. Next year I plan to mix Dr. earth in the manure application. This sounds so yummy. C :

    Bookmark   June 9, 2013 at 11:01PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

In the spring, I often get super-healthy looking new canes and shoots growing off the rose bushes--sometimes off a cane, sometimes as a new cane coming out of the soil (I bury by grafts.) This is such a common spring occurrence that I do not get up-tight or nervous about it. Since this super-growth is prominent, I keep a general eye on it--but so far all the super-growth has merely "hardened off" or matured into a big strong cane with more vigor than the earlier canes but the blooms look about the same.

In other words, nothing weird has ever developed from the super-canes.

Kate

    Bookmark   June 9, 2013 at 8:30PM
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susan4952(5)

Thanks, Kate. That is good to know and I will keep an eye on her ...and the other 80 brats.
And no, Andre , it grows from the center. Today the thorns look more normal, less rubbery, and I see a color change back to normal.
Thanks all.

    Bookmark   June 9, 2013 at 8:43PM
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predfern(z5 Chicago)

The Growing Place has a fairly good selection with prices in the $25-30 range. I usually order from Roses Unlimited in South Carolina.

Here is a link that might be useful: The Growing Place

    Bookmark   June 8, 2013 at 12:10AM
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gto66(z5 IL)

Thanks for the tip. Today I was out at the Sunday Antiques Market at the Sandwich fairgrounds. They say that sometimes you will find what you are looking for in unsuspecting places....and I did. There was a John Cabot rose, one that I had never seen before, so it came home with me. Nice color, almost wild looking. Still have space for a couple more.

    Bookmark   June 9, 2013 at 6:09PM
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sunflowersrus222(7a Pa)

I have HT roses and am in eastern PA. Haven't had any problems with fungus yet. I keep mine well spaced for ventilation. The only rose bush I have with a fungal problem is an old red rose bush that was here when we bought the house 20+ years ago. Not even sure what it is. But there is a very large forsythia bush planted on the neighbors side of the fence. I don't know if that bush holds a lot of moisture or if its just blocking the air flow. Today I trimmed her forsythia way back and rounded it out for her so hopefully my rose bush will grow better without all of that competition for air and space.

Where abouts in PA are you? I'm right on the Delaware River north of Philly.

    Bookmark   June 9, 2013 at 1:01PM
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DNTQuilter

....and a lady bub nymph just crawled across my laptop screen. Too funny!

    Bookmark   June 9, 2013 at 1:05PM
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krismast(6 S.E. PA)

Here's a couple more

Thanks for all your help!

Kristopher

    Bookmark   June 9, 2013 at 8:48AM
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sunflowersrus222(7a Pa)

Dr. Huey is much darker and smaller. I just dug up a Dr. Huey that I've had for a few years after the graft died off. Yours does not look like a Dr. Huey to me based on the color and size of the blooms. Dr. Huey is a darker red like a red wine kind of red.

    Bookmark   June 9, 2013 at 10:08AM
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NYEconomist

I know that feeling. Plant them and bask in your victory. :)

    Bookmark   June 8, 2013 at 11:18PM
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blackgavotte(5aNS)

I know that feeling. I have searched high and low for a few particular roses in the past, and when I found them, felt like dancing... now I hope they do well in my new home in the Maritimes of Canada... Good luck with your new roses ! They continue to be a passion for me, even with the new challenges of this area.

    Bookmark   June 9, 2013 at 6:00AM
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