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How is the US so different from England? For one thing, latitude. Much of the US is south of the latitude of the British Isles. That changes the angle and intensity of the sun and its effects on color development and retention. The differences in color of the same variety on the same rootstock between two places such as here in KC and Milwaukee, WI, for instance, a place farther north, are quite noticeable. The color difference between Milwaukee and Seattle, close to the same latitude but different climates, is not that much. England is also not so big that the ocean air effects are completely lost on the interior of the country. That is not true here. A humid continental climate such as most of the US has wider temperature variations than a coastal marine climate. As for any states in the US that have a climate similar to England, northern Oregon and Washington west of the Cascades are quite British-like. Roses that do well in England do well there. Some of them may do okay in the Midwest, but not many of them.
If I could suggest one alternative, I would have a look at Palatine's catalog and look at the Kordes variety Summer Sun. That one might be okay. I am not growing it, but it would be on my list to try if I have the space and my Summer Songs kick the bucket. Just my suggestion, for what it is worth.
The question you asked is so simplistic that it is difficult to answer. I don't live in the US obviously, but you can't even compare one state to another so the whole of the US compared to UK is impossible. Generally though, we are a lot further north, David Austin is in Shropshire, which is on a similar line to North Germany, virtually Denmark, and Saskatchewan in Canada. It's rare on here for there be such a consensus on one rose so I would take that on board. One thing I don't get though, why introduce the sport of it 'Carolyn Knight' are they hoping to prey on peoples credulous simplicity?
Thanks for your imput. It's so beautiful I tried to order it anyway, but sadly Roses Unlimited is all out, and thats where I prefer to order my roses since I live here in S.C. Trying to order a Sonia Rykiel instead as I'm looking for a nice pink addittion to my garden.
mzstitch,
I have 'Colette' buried in a 5 gal. container (gophers) about 5 yrs. and I assume the roots have grown thru the drinage holes. With minimal pruning she's stayed about 4 1/2 ft. And here everything outgrows listed heights.
She's not a dense bush, rather twiggy & open. I have a salvia that intermingles plus annuals/perrenials around her. Sometimes she's pink. Mostly apricot pink. More of a charming rose rather than a beauty.
Irisgal
My heart goes out to those of you in the south and northeast who are experiencing yet again unusually severe weather conditions. This has been a tough winter up here as well. According to the US map, I am actually in zone 4 although it is shown as zone 5 in Canada. The deep snow cover probably is a blessing as everything - roses, perennials, bushes etc. - are completely blanketed. Its good to see that there are other cold weather rose growers on the forum. It gives me hope and encouragement.
My experience is that the color of Munstead Wood is deeper and darker.
The main difference I'm seeing so far is that MW has a very different bush shape--it is much shorter than WS2000 and never has that awkward sideways spread that WS2000 specializes in. In fact, MW tends to form a most shapely and graceful bush so far--but mine is still relatively new, so we'll see in another year or two.
I do like both--and I grow both. Given their differences in size and shape, they serve somewhat different functions in a garden.
I think, if I had to make a choice, I like the MW bloom best, but that is not meant as a put-down of WS2000's beautiful quartered blooms. Both are beautiful.
Kate
Andrea if the roses were bands or in small pots there might be a problem, but if they're already in 5-gallon pots I think they'll be sturdy enough to be acclimated to the heat if you plant them in April. When they're in the ground you can do a better job of watering and mulching to get them through the summer, whereas in the pots they'll be much more vulnerable to the heat.
Ingrid
Well, it seems I'm out-numbered! but I had a terrible disappointment planting out potted roses in my climate in spring. Maybe i didn't coddle them enough or something but last spring, since it wasn't too hot and dry, I tried planting out 12 potted plants from Barni:6 roses, 3 wisteria ,3 clematis.Only one of the wisteria survived, and 2 of the 3 clematis.Only 3 of the roses did decently; of the others, one died, one seems to be alive, though it's reduced to one short cane ,one I moved back into a pot and I don't know if it'll survive...so I would avoid trying to plant potted stuff out in the future in spring!
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the fragrance. FAIR BIANCA's blooms possess a very strong and unique fragrance. David Austin describes it as myrrh, but to me it smells oddly like Noxzema face cream with a subtle vanilla note. I know it sounds odd but the unusual perfume fits the pristine whiteness of the blooms perfectly.
You know folks the more years I spend with this rose the more I'm coming to realize just how much I like it. Yes she lacks the presence of the larger cultivars but there is place in the garden for petite roses too. The medium sized flowers are large in proportion to small upright plant, which in their own way draw the eye down to the plant.
Provided you can get her grafted and are willing to spray and fertilize then Fair Bianca performs admirably.
See:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20607379
Here is a link that might be useful: roses in Chile
Thank you HK, The local florist told me that some varieties (Freedom) grown from Prima Rose, Ecuador, is much larger and better quality than that of other grower's.
I know there are many cut flower rose grower in Ecuador, some of them are European origin. Is possible some grower adapting better way to propagated their plants.
If time allowed, I am going to do the index testing on RMV of some SA imported cut rose flower this year. I have tiny VI Mme Butterfly, I am waiting it grow large enough to do the test.
Gardentiler
Kate,
I wasn't arguing, I was just telling you exactly where I saw this info. I looked more closely at the site and you are absolutely correct. Thanks.
ratdogheads,
Thanks for the info on Rogue Valley. Looks like I can find something I like there.
Lynnette,
That is a beautiful plant, I will look for it at Rogue Valley.
Thanks and Happy New Year to you all,
andrea
Alfalfa would be about the only thing I would add--oh yes, sometimes some manure also.
Since I started using Rose Tone (or Plant Tone) in the spring and it already contains some alfalfa, I don't bother to add alfalfa anymore, but if I switched over completely to the convenience of continuous-feed Osmocote (3 or 4 months, depending on the type you buy), I might go back to the practice of adding a handful of alfalfa to each rose.
Whether or not manure gets added depends entirely on whim--and how overworked I do or do not feel--and how dang hot it is outside. I wish I were more regular, however, in adding manure.
Kate
The answers are no and yes. New basal growth of the grafted rose will only come from the bud union (graft) area where the canes join the rootstock cane. This area will enlarge into a ball and buds that become canes will spring from it as well as from the established grafted canes. Any other canes that may spring from the rootstock cane will be from the rootstock and not the graft and you get rid of them by ripping them off at the base. The two canes that are there will get bigger as will the rootstock cane. As the root system gets better established and assuming you take good care of the rose the canes will get bigger.
What Henry said but that is a pretty typical looking bagged bare root rose so I wouldn't worry. Plant it and take good care of it and it will probably do just fine for you. I wouldn't prune anything off of it except dead wood for the first year. Just let it put on some roots and top growth.
I'm in northern jersey, zone 6A. I got an own root from Chamblees that literally grew 3 feet in one season, the tallest out of all of my roses. It's definitely a climber, the canes are tall and needed to be tied to the fence behind it. The flowers are beautiful, last abnormally long for an austin (like 4 days) since it was a one year plant I only got a few blooms but they didn't have much scent, which is normal for me and young plants. I'd give it a year though to get better.
One thing i must say though, it is very very thorny. I'll try and get a picture up of the thorns. Thorns don't bother me though, if the plant can prove itself to be good thorns don't matter at all to me.
Let me know of you need anything else.
Drew
This post was edited by zone6-nj on Fri, Feb 14, 14 at 17:31
I am from Texas so cant attest to hardiness in zone 5 [though it has seemed like it here the last few weeks]. I really like this rose - it gets very large on my big fan trellis, healthy foliage and lots of blooms. Yes, its thorny, but that's not a problem. It is a really pretty rose and very healthy. Chamblees prices are great - I would suggest trying it and mulching well in winter or laying it down and covering with burlap and hay. Am sure you will be pleased with it.
Judith