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Rose cones?! Sound like an elaborate form of grower torture. I'm glad to know these roses grow well despite frost in zones close to mine. I don't prune until the roses break dormancy, not in the least reason because it *always* catches me by surprise and I scramble to get my pruning done. I meander around saying "crap, how did that happen so fast?!" I try to pick roses that survive without perfect care and these three are my experiments in pushing that envelope. Mr. Shovel takes care of poor performers for me, too!
Thanks for the advice on Pink Traviata. I love Traviata and was seriously considering the pink variety. I'll wait and see if someone around here has grown her.
Another place you could look for information is the New York Botanical Garden where they switched out all the roses in 2007 to more disease resistant and are growing without chemicals. They offer a list of which roses they are growing too.
I have 'Julia Child' and so far I've found it to be one of the easiest and most dependable to grow without chemicals. Medium size yellow flowers, lots of rebloom.
Here is a link that might be useful: Peggy Rockefeller Rose Garden
It's not clear to me how they got back to exporting in one year, since grafted roses are grown for two years before harvest. Does anyone know whether there has been any change in how they are producing roses, other than not using rootstock imported from Europe?
But I'm relieved that we haven't lost another quality producer of roses.
I'm pretty sure my PJPII had RRD this spring. The new growth turned a weird combination of red and green and never outgrew it, plus the leaves and flowers were distorted and the canes stayed super flexible with soft thorns. Last year he grew so well and produced amazing numbers of fragrant flowers. I will try him again, but not for a few years.
Your PJPII looks normal to me, too. My PJPII had very red new growth that startled me at first, but greened up nicely, until this spring, that is.
Oh, sorry, Susan....mea culpa - all those other numbers 2495 confused my brain so I didn't notice you were another freezy zone 5 type. Obviously, everyone who can keep roses alive in those temperatures has a depth of committment I can only guess at.
I have kept new cuttings, including The New Dawn, alive over winter by siting them in their pots along the uninsulated, north foundation wall of my house and covering them with 2 L pop bottles, from which I have cut the bottom, and oak leaves. The only tricky part is removing the bottle caps when it's warm in the spring so that fungii aren't too happy.
Should work. Just aim for at least a 24" pot (the bigger the better) and an outer pot to provide some insulation from the heat is a great idea. If you can possibly site your pot such that it's in the shade most of the time (with the rest of the rose in the sun) then that will help. Also if you can run drip irrigation to the pot so that it is assured of regular water, that doesn't hurt either. Potted roses need regular fertilizer, so plan on that as well.
Your "2B" is obviously not your USDA growing zone if you are in Benicia--you might want to change that...
I guess, if I was being conscientious, I would step on the potassium more than nitrogen or phosphorous....we were always taught potassium was good for hardening woody growth for winter. Probably be more reticent with the nitrogen though.....although, it frequently depends what's left in the shed at this time of year, also.
Henry,
Could you put the link in the text, please? For some reason I see a green word "useful" followed by a green box with an upper right pointing arrow in it .....followed by the link, which won't work.
I may be able to get the paper through UT.
Hattie, so far I have only been able to see the abstract.
Ann here is the link:
http://apsjournals.apsnet.org/doi/abs/10.1094/PDIS-09-12-0851-RE
Ah, Suzy, they have been right up my street. Back during my "collecting period", I grew every one available here, and enjoyed the heck out of them. But, they have to be carried on GOOD plants and many weren't. When I had virtually unlimited space, water and energy, and there were over twelve-hundred roses in that canyon in Newhall, they were all there, plus all the stripes, stippled and "haloed" types there were here in the US. Those days were great, but behind me. I no longer have the space, water and energy for that many, so my "collection" consists of those which are happier to be with me and which I want to use to create my own roses. The most "painted" one these days is Laughter Lines, which has been one of my favorites since those days. The link below takes you to the photo of it in the old Newhall garden. I hope it's as happy here as it was there. That, by the way, was an own root plant I propagated from a friend's British import. Kim
Here is a link that might be useful: Laughter Lines in the old Newhall garden
Criminey - that's enormous. I bet it wouldn't get half as big over here. Spectacular though.
Obvs, I haven't grown a fraction of what you have had....but even so, the collecting impulse is taking second place to a feeling of time not being endless and wanting to actually create a space which looks harmonious as a whole and not the insane mish-mash which results (in my gardens) from having too many fingers in too many pies.... I would definitely be happy with a few (6 or so)really great roses (white, pink, pale yellow, single, semi-double, big and floriferous) which grew in multiples.....and a dozen R.moyesii
I agree with TerryJean - I've found the Delbard painter series to be pretty winter hardy in my zone 5 yard, including Henri Matisse, Albert Sisely, Grimaldi, and of course Edgar Degas (not available AFAIK after Ashdown closed). They're actually robust and regular rebloomers for me once established, though I did lose Guy Savoy when I planted it late one year. I'm fairly sure it would do fine in a different spot and/or time when I try again. In general, Delbard and Tantau are good breeders for me in winter hardiness, not quite as good as Kordes but close.
Cynthia
I agree absolutely, sawfly damage. The link below is to a site belonging to a fellow in Lincolnshire, UK. If you scroll down, you will find two species of sawfly which go by the common name of "Rose Sawfly". There is a third commonly called the "Curled Sawfly" here in North America. All three species are introduced species here, originating from Europe.
I had never seen these critters in Western Canada and I was as mystified as you when first saw them on my roses in Ontario. I have all three of the common rose sawfly's in my garden.
Control: If you check your roses frequently, every couple of days, it is fairly easy to pick them off. This spring, I had a pet robin who would follow me around and clean them up as I picked them, which made this little chore more pleasant for a few weeks. If they are not controlled however, they can completely defoliate a plant or even a rose bed. Knockdown spray, pyrethrin based, is also a good spot treatment if there are too many to pick.
Cheers, Rick
Here is a link that might be useful: A Nature Observer's Scrapbook - Sawflys
I order almost every yr from them. I am running out of room, but I lost quite a few roses this past season, so am looking to either replace or get something else. Their prices are the most reasonable, and shipping is also very reasonable. I plan to order CORETTA SCOTT KING, SUGAR MOON, and FIRED UP. Still debating if I want to replace two that died on me... BARBRA STREISAND and FIREFIGHTER (HACIENDA).
Regan's is a great source also, but even for me being here in the same state, the shipping is a LOT more. I do want to order JULIO IGLESIAS, as they are the only source for a grafted one. But to make that shipping cost worthwhile, I would prefer to add a couple more roses. Just not sure what I really want yet.
(Truth be told, I shouldn't be ordering anything at all!!) LOL
Nummykitchen- I'm in quite a different climate here in 10B/24, but I was at a nursery not too far from me recently that had a row of rather stunning Over the Moons. It was a truly wonderful Apricot hue in person. I frankly don't recall the scent, but boy it sure looked good and was quite floriferous. I hope it works out for you.
And my mother has told me that my grandfather always kept a Sterling Silver from the moment it came out. It always makes me smile to see.
Jay
Collin County Agrilife extension has confirmed cases of RRD.
The plant is potted on the porch, so I am unsure what has caused this but I did cut the cane off the plant.
Josh
RRD/RRV has been in and around the DFW area for over a decade.
Generally RRD hits one cane first. It looks as if your rose got visited by a single vagrant mite. Unless there's a source of the vector mites not all that far away....but it's not on other roses, so that argues for the lack of a local vector source.
Also the heat of a Great Plains summer seems to have suppressed the vector mites up in Iowa in published papers; I wouldn't expect Dallas to have cooler temps until later this month (and the mite population surges that go with the non=100F temps). But, again, a single mite can come from anywhere upwind.
Those photos are some of the worst multiple axillary breaks I've ever seen. And the buds are not forming in an orderly fashion.
One other pestilence to check out: chili thrips.
I think you may have saved it by cutting the support cane as low on the plant as possible. Watch where you cut it for odd replacement growth (which would show up in a couple of weeks in the weather you're having now.)