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Hi Theresa-rose, I'm sorry for your loss. Help Me Find - Roses (linked below). Click on the "Search / Lookup" in the menu on the left. When that page opens, click on "Rose Introductions" in the middle of the menu across the top of the page. There is a drop down menu of years below that. Select the year you wish and it will bring up the list of the roses introduced around the world for each year selected.
If you join Help Me Find as a premium member ($24 per year), you can use the Advanced Search which permits you to select numerous criteria so you can narrow the search to a smaller list of names. Do you remember if the contest she won was put on by a rose society, a business, a nursery, magazine or whom? I would think being in the 1950's, she probably named either a Hybrid Tea or a floribunda as those were the more popular classes of new roses.
Ironically, reading your post reminded me of the contest given by the San Diego Rose Society in the mid fifties to name a new rose created by Forest Hieatt. Mrs. Mabel Pllsbury won with the best name and was awarded ten bushes of Flame of Love. I hope it helps. Kim
Here is a link that might be useful: Help Me Find - Roses
Thank you Seil and catsrose for your reply.
This is as Label states a "SUN FLARE"
Catsrose the red line with the arrow is where i assumed the graft is, so i will definatly not cut that especially that you confirmed my assumption.
Seil i noticed stuff growing from the hard wood, but i thought (from what i watched and read) that I am supposed to cut old wood and keep younger wiid since it is more vigorous and will give better roses and so on. If i were to do that should i replace a cane a year? is this even recommended for Floribunda Roses?
I planted a variety of evergreen plants, both shrubs and groundcover types. These areas receive regular watering. I wouldn't be posting here if the problems were ordinary. They are not. I have noticed situations that I would not expect as a fairly experienced gardener. That is why I have posted here.
It is perfectly possible for fungal problems such as a verticillium wilt...or armeria....to cause growth problems. In the UK, land which has been used for growing roses is not suitable for growing other roses - Rose Replant Syndrome....or rose sickness......but this tends to only affect roses and close relatives in the rosaceae family.
A bit more information would be helpful - how are they dying? All of the plant? parts of the plant? Do they change, looking dry and shrivelled, say? Do they just fail to thrive? And pictures would be really useful, if you can.
There are several modern shrub roses that also have high center blooms. One that I have & really like is Dr. Buck's 'Honey Sweet'. The reason this rose & other roses he hybridized have this high center is that he used some HT's in his program to get different bloom colors & forms.
Here is a link that might be useful: Honey Sweet on hmf.com
Very true, any type of rose can have that form but it's usually associated most with hybrid teas I think. As in a rose having "classic HT form". But there are a lot of HTs that don't have that form either and would be considered more decorative than high centered. And even if a rose has that form the centers aren't always exactly "high" anyway. I get a lot of HTs where the centers are sunken in instead of thrust up. And it seems that happens a lot right around my show season, lol!
Thank you for the info kstrong.
I have Let Freedom Ring and picked up additional bare roots from the nursery last weekend. I ordered both Veterans' Honor and Opening Night but then thought they were the same so I exchanged Opening Night for Firefighter. Good thing that's not a bad decision since I really like florist/exhibition roses form that can perform well in the garden.
Here are the reds that I have (include the new bare roots):
-Scarlet Knight (my first red when I didn't know a lot about roses. I'm still learning.)
- Mr Lincoln (it turns pink sometimes and doesn't bloom very often)
- Ingrid Bergman
- Veterans' Honor
- Firefighter
- Chrysler Imperial
- Love's Promise
- Black Magic
I have a small garden but decide to set a goal for myself to plant the most velvet red HT rose. Wish me luck :)
If they're doing well for you where you are, that's great. Perhaps you can revisit hybridizing and make yourself some interesting "Florida-hardy" roses using your seed-grown roses, perhaps bred with other cultivars which do well (I'm thinking Chinas, Teas, Noisettes, etc.).
Last Spring, I received a rose labeled 'Sweet Chariot' which grew very well, bloomed, and revealed itself to NOT be 'Sweet Chariot'. Interestingly, it appears very much to be some sort of Multiflora-derived cultivar (I still haven't been able to match it up conclusively with something at the nursery's inventory), and the flowers it produced looked like the just-more-than-single flowers within your seed strain variations. I wasn't sure what to do with this "mystery" rose, but being as it's been so healthy, I might just close my eyes and use it as "something Multiflora" in breeding. I'm not sure how big it will get, or if it will repeat, but it's nice to have a rose that shrugs off disease in your own environment while others sniffle and sneeze through the blackspot season. It's even nicer when it's somewhat along the lines of something you'd like to breed yourself, if, perhaps, in a bit of an "unpolished" form. After all, only one seedling needs to be promising for a cross to be a success.
:-)
~Christopher
Christopher, I appreciate your thoughtful response.
That was a very interesting bit of information about your mystery rose. Very intriguing. Like to know how it turns out.
Thirty years ago I did a lot of rose hybridizing...lots.
It was fun and I always have that desire to do it again. But I just can't focus like that anymore. I move from one garden project to another from year to year. (As crazy as it sounds, I have 4 jars of hips I gathered, currently in the frig from last year. which I never focused long enough to take them out, clean them and plant them).
This rose from seed is the short cut way of hybridizing. No work. Just plant like the rest of my seeds. Instant rose. And the great thing about it is that it is a hybridized rose. I mean these folks took years of development on these, but you still really never know what you will get. So that's getting the fun of hybridizing roses with little to no work.
Incidentally my project for this year is the new "Sparkle guara" of which I have about 150 plants (seeds planted in Sept) and a petunia (nearly 200 plants) which are all self seeded. Amazing for me.. I usually have to jump through hoops to get a few petunias from seed.
I am in NE Florida. 24 degrees tonight
"What I love more than that though is continuous bloom during the season."
Oh, definately! The biggest reason I don't want once bloomers is because they bloom on old wood; if something should happen to them I might need to wait two years before I get any flowers. Equally, and perhaps most important, is their desease resistance. I don't spray and I don't want to spray, so any rose that's susceptable to desease won't survive with me. I'm also new with roses, so that adds to the necessity.
I'm so excited to be getting roses! It's felt like spring all winter because I just picture them all blooming. I have to be careful, or this can become an addiction ;)
I tend to fawn over quartered, flat blooms. It may be that after first looking through Rose Encyclopediae, more Centifolias, Gallicas, Damasks, and HPs were on my lists of "most beautiful blooms" than any other and the disappointment I felt when I learned they would never thrive here in Santa Monica strengthens my desire for those shapes.
I love lots of petals typically, but I count Mrs. Oakley Fisher amongst my favorites on account of the color. Color is very important, but I do like all sorts of colors in roses. In descending order, I consider White, Apricot, Dark Dark Red verging on Purple, Light Yellow verging on Cream, and crazy blends/bis/striped/unusual roses as my favorites. I have tendencies, but no strict 'rules' or absolutes.
Again in descending order, some of my favorite blooms are Madame Hardy, Reine des Violettes, Gloire de Dijon, Blanchefleur, Lady Hillingdon, Boule de Neige, Mrs. Oakley Fisher, Distant Drums, Crown Princess Margareta, Etoile de Lyon, Felicia, and Hot Cocoa.
Jay
I've ordered bulbs and plants from them as well and have had pretty good luck. Most have been healthy and grown as expected, and they've been good about replacement when things have gone awry. I did order a mystery grab bag last year and it took them more than six months to ship it - every time I checked the order status the shipping date had been pushed back. But in the end I got a nice selection of tulips, lilies, hyacinth and daffodils. We'll see how they grow this spring.
I saw an interesting thread from a couple years ago about Gardens Alive taking over Weeks roses - they also own Brecks, Spring Hill, Michigan Bulb, and a few catalog companies in Canada. It was pretty pessimistic for the most part.
I also sent Brecks an email asking about their supplier for roses and information about the rootstock used etc. They wrote back promptly (wrote it yesterday and heard back this morning) and politely told me that they couldn't tell me anything.
I'll be interested to hear about Neil Diamond this spring, Beth! They carry Diamond Eyes, which I'm trying to find, but not in Canada, which is where I live.
Karen
Here is a link that might be useful: previous thread about Weeks and Gardens Alive
I grow two Westerland as climbers. They fare well here. Hardy and vigorous reaching over ten feet with minimal feeding.
Although the blooms open orange, they quickly fade to salmon/yellow blend. At any time there may be anything from orange to a pastel light salmon or coral.
Originally I grew Betty Corning clematis, which is a light blue-purple, with Westerland. Betty soon overwhelmed the arbor and the rose.
I later transplanted Betty Corning and substituted the viticelli clematis Venosa Violacea
Thanks for the photos! I really like the colour comination in foto 2; the FADED Wland flowers with the clematis. That is sort of what I'm hoping to do: pair Wland up with paler apricot/pinky pastel companions so that even when it's flowers are at the colour-phase illustrated in photo 1,the general effect will be more like that in photo 2. The colour combination in Photo3 is great; I'd like to achieve something like that, but with a lot of the above-mentioned pastel colours mixed in...and some deep plum-coloured leaves ...
Campanula - Thanks for your helpful advice.
Sammy - I really do want to grow some of the antiques, they are really beautiful and evoke a feeling nostalgia. Right now I have Rose de Rescht, Reine des Violettes, Mme Isaac Pereire, and Zephirine Drouhin. I planted them all last spring and with the exception of Rose de Rescht, they bloomed very little. Those all came from Roses Unlimited. They all look really healthy and I am sure they will be fine, I just get a little anxious, I guess. I ordered a few more antiques, including SDLM, which you mentioned, this time from Pickering. I have seriously considered the teas and chinas, especially the teas, but have been a little afraid. Maybe I'll try one or two in 2015, they are really lovely. I saw the article you mentioned. I will try to find time to read it tomorrow, looks interesting. I have visited the Antique Rose Emporium a number of times, I love it!
I'm not in your zone but I do believe for warmer climates like yours this is the time to prune. I don't think the roses have to be dormant to do that. I hope someone from your zone will chime in with more info.