22,153 Garden Web Discussions | Roses
On the other hand, some of us, including zone 5 growers, feed until mid-autumn with good results. Roses need all the nutrients, including N, to stock up on carbs for the winter. However, if you have been fertilizing with something like Rose Tone, or if the soil has high organic content, it will continue to release soluble N into the fall. So in many circumstances, it doesn't matter either way. I haven't noticed any difference in serious winter damage between fertilizing and not fertilizing. (I have experienced zone 6 and zone 5 winters in the past.) Generally, when you find gardeners advocating opposite practices, that means you can get satisfactory results either way.
I applied 10-10-10 recently and will probably do so again in early October. Roses here usually grow and bloom until mid-November. In zone 5 the rose-stopping freeze is around two weeks earlier, I guess.
Margaret was easily six by eight feet in Newhall (budded from Edmund's many years ago) and had no foliage issues there at all. The PLANT was gorgeous. The flowers fried as quickly as they opened. I loved the bush, the foliage and the gorgeous sepals, I just very seldom saw a decent open flower because they were so heat intolerant. Kim
Racinrose, Ooooh I'm so jealous! ;-) I love ur roses!! I've seen both on all kinds of mail order sites.But I've also heard those varieties struggle with our blazing heat. Our seasons are summer and winter with VERY little in between. Anyone have success with Hybrid perp. Or bourbons in zone 8-10?
BTW,Thank you for you kind words.I agree completely! They have SO much love, knowledge, experience to give! And all anyone has to do is accept it.Ain't Love grand!
-Lyna
I bought Scentimental almost 10 years ago and it has survived all the hot summers we have had recently. Oranges and Lemons did not fare so well. I think it (O&L) lasted 1-2 years only.
Be advised that if your weather is similar to mine, during July thru part of September, you may notice that the number of blooms will dimish significantly and that the color in the blooms will be almost always "wrong" until the temperatures come down from the 100s.
During that stressful time, Scentimental has 1 to 1.5" blooms whose color is either only bright red or a dark shade of pink. I only see one bloom or two tops at a time. Sometimes they have stripes but very few. They may appear to be the wrong rose to people who have not seen this before.
If your soil is as bad as you suggest, consider growing them in containers. It may help keep some of those the large shrubs' size in check a little.
Take a trip to Antique Rose Emporium (call first to see if they have a good selection of striped roses) if you want to see before buying.
I have not tried hybrid perpetuals here but I have seen Reve dâÂÂOr and Souvenir de St. Anne's for sale before in my area and have Souvenir del la Malmaison (shrub) and Zepherine de Drouhin. Those are not striped roses though. Reine des Violettes did not fare well as I did not like the shrub's structure.
Here is more info:
http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/rosesant/msg0217034631488.html?4
Luis
Don't forget that the July-August grubs are the next generation that would be largest come next spring.
Someone suggested to me some years back that if you apply three times the amount of Grubex per so many square feet in the spring, you will kill the then-big grubs. One competing maker even had in the instructions a 3x application rate for spring versus mid-summer. But this is not practical for most folks.
Did anyone find out what insect could have laid these eggs by any chance?
I just discovered this on the top of a hosta leaf. Not sure whether a beneficial bug/insect or not. Would anyone know please? I googled but could not find identical eggs except for this thread.
Thank you.
Jo.
Still cant believe this wonderful nursery is closing. I got several gallons I wanted and have several more bands coming, so my last box has not yet arrived and I will, like Kitty, be glad and sad at the same time. I keep hoping that at the eleventh hour, Greg will say oh wait! One more sale! I raise horses and there was an old gentlemen who would have, every few years, a going out of business sale. It got to be a bit of a joke.....Wish Vintage would keep finding bands that hadnt been offered yet.....
Jeri is exactly right. With the closing of Vintage, hopefully support will rally for the good nurseries that are left.
Judith
Okay - TOTALLY different zone - but I can add relevance to fragrance.
Paradise Found flowers last a long time, the stems are thick, the flowers are many and the scent is unique. I just can't describe it - but it's wonderful. I love smelling this rose.
Paradise (here) has no smell.
Elle smells like candy. So sweet. Love the smell of this rose.
New Zealand is only in its 2nd year; but so far, I'm not impressed. Smallish flowers that take a l o n g time to come back. And there is no scent. But I'm sure that will improve.
Lucky you!! New roses for your birthday. Have fun picking them out. :)
Carol
I saw Rainbow Sorbet at a nursery here locally and almost bought it. That is one flashy, flashy rose.
And, I posted in the other thread about rose selection because I didn't see it listed, but it's mentioned here...
I went to a local nursery that has a broad selection of roses, but hasn't been caring for them lately. They pruned them but REALLY need to water. It's been a bad season for mildew, and BS is back.
By far, the biggest standout for vigor and gorgeous foliage after all the neglect:
Beverly.
This post was edited by racin_rose on Sat, Aug 31, 13 at 4:07
There are two plants of Renae on that arbor. They're planted diagonally across the arbor from one another. Renae IS a "big girl" once she gets pumping! At Sequoia, she threw herself fifteen feet into the trees by the office and kept creeping through the limbs in all directions. Of course, the only portions ever pruned were those which fell out of the canopy or threw themselves out into where you'd walk under it.
Whether to keep pinching yours or not is up to you. "Hot" is relative. She was born and raised in Visalia where triple digits were often the summer "norm". If she's already root bound in the pot size you have her in, slowing the growth may help. If not, or if you're ready to up size her pot and want her bigger, sooner, I doubt the heat you're enduring is too much for her. Kim
Kim, she is in the ground and is actually getting a bit of extra water since we added the sod, guessing that is part of why she stopped sulking about the pinching, took off and now wants to try blooming again. I have not seen any sign of the heat bugging her at all, lots of happy but bright green growth.
I am going to work on the sprinklers for the sod this next week and then mulch (okay manure)
I use shredded wood chips about 2.5" - 3" deep and we get a lot of rain...
Like I said I've never seen any rose or shrub that's mulched get PM here.
Blackspot & similar looking fungal diseases now that's a different story... lol
With conditions totally different from situation to situation/climate to climate how can even scientific research always be correct?
In other words if the scientific research wasn't done in my own backyard how accurate is it really?
I fervently believed it was simply not possible to kill a rose in the UK so I was horrified to find Paul's Scarlet Climber (practically a weed) growing backwards and finally vanishing, leaving a smidgeon of dried stick. Less horrified (or just getting immunity) by the sad (but rapid) demise of Hot Chocolate. Finally, although Summer Song is not actually dead, it may as well be (and no doubt will be in a season or 2) as it is a 2 cane nuisance with a few puny blooms right at the very ends of long thorny whips. Oh yeah, the Renaissance roses - unfortunately immortal....but horrible - will deliver the coup de grace when I feel particularly peed off with Mr.Campanula or any of the ingrates (offspring) and I have a suitable weapon to hand..
I bought two own root roses in mache pots at a rose show. I set them down off the patio in some dirt between some abelias. I never got around to planting them and threw them away. It didn't matter since they planted themselves. They are both over six feet tall and poke out from the seven foot abelias