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Looks a lot like 'Francois Rabelais'.

Yep -- I would also recommend Francois Rabelais and also Amadeus (Kordes, 2003) -- which is similar to FR, but a larger plant that blooms in bigger sprays. Both would be available in the U.S. Both of them are healthy bloom machines.

Here is a link that might be useful: Francois Rabelais on HMF

Nanadoll is right. Those heights listed were in cold winter zones where roses freeze each winter. For Calif. I would add 1-2 feet.

Another factor is how hard you prune. A friend takes her roses down to 8-10 inches!!! I don't. Eglantyne here is pruned yearly to about 2 ft. and when blooms are cut the stems are longer than needed, to shape the bush (a little off season prune). I've also read that rootstock affects growth. Of course water, soil & fertilizer.

I think the important thing about Austins for a new grower is to know the ones on that list are the Austins of a more manageable size on a small city lot. The 10 x 10ft. monsters are wonderful. You just have to have fewer of them unless you've got space. Or you have to be severe in pruning, which may lessen bloom. My 'Evelyn' & 'Abraham Darby' will rapidly grow a cane that is 8 ft. long. It's often referred to as "octopus" canes. So far 'Eglantyne' and Symphony have never done that. Nor 'Heritage' (which grows taller than those).

Keep looking for bush pictures and you will see the difference in the smaller Austins on that list and the truly big ones.

Thanks for your answer Iris. I have heard, and listened to, similar comments from both Austin and HT growers.

I have two in ground beds and a number of large pots. The in ground beds are 19 and 7 months old. Michael, said that I really shouldn't prune these roses until they are in their second year. So later this month will be the first time I do any pruning at all. I have taken extra when deadheading but that's about it. (My beautiful Pristine wants to be 7 or 8 feet tall.) I have also been told that HTs in Calif don't really need to have more than 1/3 taken off along with any dead canes. And I understand that DAs don't really need anything but the lightest trim.....Unless of course they are growing long tentacles.

My DAs are in large (24 gal) pots and are only 5 months old now. So they haven't had the time to grow very large yet.

This will be quite a learning experience. I love it already!

Thanks again for listening and responding.

Happy new year,

andrea

I always worry that I am taking off too much, too, and they always seem to come back just fine. I think in order to get basals you need more real dormancy than you are likely to get here. I don't see splits until the roses are older here, and I used to get more breaks in my Iowa garden.

I get most of my HT basal growth in fall before and during the fall flush

Just saw that message Diane. I always wondered, where do you get a majority of your Austin's from? I know your jude and cadfael are from DA, but how about PAoK, Eglantyne, golden celebration?

I do want Eglantyne grafted - got it own root from chamblees last spring and saw 2 blooms, then again it seems to want to take its time growing, still very small. So I'm not judging now.

Thanks for the replies all!

My first DA roses, at my current home, were from David Austin directly. I've purchased older Austins from Palatine and Pickering in Canada. But mostly I now buy my Austins locally from a very fine nursery. The roses are in five gallon DA pots with metal tags, etc. Gorgeous roses that the nursery will keep and care for you, if you prepay, of course, in a special greenhouse till you are ready to pick them up and plant them at home. They are huge and usually blooming. So, Jude, Cadfael, and Eglantyne came from DA directly, but Golden Cel and PAoK (and others) were purchased locally.
Watch for Bro Cadfael--he'll get going, I'm sure, and grow larger than LofS.
I'm sorry for your cold, but it will be over soon if not already. Way back in late Nov or so, we got an Arctic blast and had several days below zero. Nothing was ready for it, and Idaho, being a total nonentity to weatherpersons, never gets any publicity about these things, whether it's the third hottest location in summer or subzero in winter. Gripe, gripe, one of my favorite things to do. Still I've never lost a rose to cold or heat, and I don't protect anything. Diane

Have you looked at Distant Drums??

I have it and I really like it.

I prune my standard the same way I prune all my roses. Dead wood first and then prune for shape. If it's too big cut it deeper than you want it to get to.

Some of them make better trees than others. I like the smaller floribundas and the bushier HTs. Some of the newer HTs are really big plants on their own and want to make the huge shoots. The ones that are smaller and bushier are easier to keep looking rounded. Some pictures are photoshopped too so beware of perfect catalog images.

I like French Lace as a tree rose. Sexy Rexy was a great tree rose in Fantasyland at Disneyland. Sadly, they were removed.

OH, Jockewing, yes! All the weather has gotten hyped out of proportion since the Weather Channel started. It's the only way they can stay in business, lol. Soon they'll be naming every piddly rain cloud that rolls over head!

They name the fires in CA too

How are all of you doing in this crazy cold weather? We are having cool and cloudy alternating with warm dry winds. All the rose leaves have blown off leaving just the wind frazzled flowers on top like sad pom poms. I want to prune them just to quit looking at that sorry sight. Today was nice sweater weather and the weekend will be back to shorts again.

minus anything is too cold for me

Thanks Seil,

I hope it works just half way well. The way we're going her in California, we'll have water rationing coming up. And I want to be sure that the babies get enough to drink....One way or the other they will. I really don't need to run the washer or take baths. They won't notice if I'm not as 'fragrant' as they are...

Thanks again,

andrea

Lol, just wear a rose a deodorant!

Hi mojavemaria.

Thank you both for the information. I am planting a row of five that will receive about 4.5-5.5 hours of sun daily, and then they will be in the shade for the rest of the day. If at maturity they reach 3-4 feet, or can be pruned and kept down to this size range I will be happy, well of course, I would have to see gorgeous purple roses too:)

I have both. The ET is older than the TZ by about a year. The ET blooms do not last as long in the sun, but in my experience, the ET puts on far more blooms.

Last May at one time I counted over 40 blooms on my ET.

My TZ which is planted about 3.5 feet away blooms well and last longer in similar sun, but so far has not bloomed nearly as much as my ET. This is on the Upper Texas Gulf Coast.

Even with alerts about my Wish List, I think the new format will have me purchasing less from them in the long run. Not consciously, but... here's an example.

If I go the grocery store I generally have a list and may need five things - bread, milk, eggs, cheese, and beer (I am from Wisconsin). I'm not going to leave the grocery store with just those items though. I'll grab some cookies or chips or something that's on sale, etc.

I generally shop for roses the same way. I go with some specifics in mind, but end up with a few extras that were new or looked interesting. Not technically something on my Wish List, but were purchases of opportunity. So, Heirloom, even though they know they'll have a rose variety ready in spring when I want my order delivered because it is in production (but not ready and available when I place my order) loses out on my purchases of opportunity. They will then only get my purchases of targeted intent. Roses that are on my Wish List and varieties that are specific to them. I think Rogue Valley might be the master of purchases of opportunity - I may only specifically be shopping for three roses, but I'm sure as heck going to find a fourth to get the free rose.

Maybe it is because Heirloom's new owner comes from an electronics background. Depending on what kind of electronics, those are very targeted purchases. I've never bought electronics or computers or phones without knowing what I want, researching it, and going an getting it at the best price. It is never an emotional or gut decision. Even though I try to be orderly and researched in my rose purchases, I never quite succeed. Roses and plants are very emotional decisions that can be from the gut. It is bloody cold out and my gut tells me to spend money on flowers for spring. Where will I now wander in search of them?

I too have been long awaiting the updates. It would be nice to see what is "new" in 2014 from them too. They still have the 2013 "new" section. There are a few roses I would love to get from them, but I certainly don't want to "piece meal" them out and have to pay the extra shipping each time they get something I would want. Right now they have FORGOTTEN DREAMS, a rose I had that died, and I wouldn't mind replacing it. But like Zaphod says, I'd probably order more than just the one or two I was specifically looking for if they had a list of everything. I wouldn't mind waiting a few months to get them too, but having to keep emailing or calling to add something isn't exactly conducive to a pleasant shopping experience. I guess I'll just wait and see what comes up and "maybe" get them all at once, unless they sell out of something I really wanted before the others came up. Hmm... I dunno... maybe I'll just go look somewhere else...

These have all been hardy for me, so far, in 5a.

Parade, an iconic world famous climber from Beorner

Rosarium Uetersen non stop producer of raspberry-salmon pinkish, fully double blooms--I think the color is more salmon in brighter sun than I get in NY, from Kordes

Karlesruhe, a parent of the above, a darker pink, larger flower, not quite as rapid rebloom for me.

Dream Girl, lovely pink climber by Jacobus, available at Greenmantle.

Shin Setsu, white climber from Suzuki, excellent growth and vitality in a cold climate, why this has not remained in commerce I don't know

White Cocade, beautifully shaped soft white flowers..

In general, any of the climbers which have New Dawn for a parent, except possibly Casino and other yellows, are hardy to at least 5. New Dawn itself and sports are armoured and probably not good choices for placement near a hot tub.

Also any of the Kordesii climbers, such as the above mentioned, should work for you. Some newer ones which have amazingly beautiful flowers are Rosanna, Laguna, White Cloud.

Northland Rosarium has a nice selection of hardy climbers and their plants and service are excellent.

No personal experience but ran across this when checking the cold tolerance of some of my climbers.

William Baffin

Canadian Explorer roses were developed in Canada during a 30-year period from the 1960s through the 1990s. Bred to be cold-hardy, some are also drought-tolerant. One variety, "William Baffin" (Rosa "William Baffin"), climbs between 7 and 10 feet and bears semi-double pink flowers. It is hardy in USDA zones 2b through 9b, meaning that it can withstand winter temperatures as low as -45 degrees Fahrenheit and a significant number of days when temperatures are above 86 degrees Fahrenheit, as in south-central Florida's USDA zone 9b and American Horticultural Society Heat Zone 10 climate.
New Dawn

"New Dawn" (Rosa "New Dawn") is a vigorous climbing rose that grows between 15 and 20 feet tall, with a 15 foot spread. It is hardy in USDA zones 4b through 9a and can withstand winter temperatures as low as -25 degrees Fahrenheit. The large flowers are shell pink and are borne in profusion in spring and occasionally thereafter. "New Dawn" was selected as one of Texas A&M University's hardy, sustainable "Earth-Kind" roses after eight years of research and field trials in a variety of Texas locations. The field trial results recognize overall hardiness, as well as pest and disease resistance.

There is another Nursery called Cool Roses that grow on fortuniana rootstock. I don't think I can get by with it here in Central Illinois when it's 10 below zero right now! I do have Signature on Dr. Huey rootstock

http://www.tenarky.org/Consulting%20Rosarians2.htm

This is the address of the page from the Tenarky district website that lists the consulting rosarians in the district. Contact some of them to see if they grow roses on Fort. I think some of them probably do.

It depends on where the grafts on your roses are. If they are up in the air (the way some recommend), you may have a problem.

Re you other plants: Gingers will come back from the roots, as will philodendrums and angel trumpets (this from experiences in NOLA when temps got that low and froze pipes. We kept our tree fern alive by wrapping it with incandescent Christmas lights and then with plastic. You will probably lose your Meyer Lemon because it's grafted and coming back from the roots .....you know the rest.

My grafted roses are on Dr. Huey, but I do have the bud unions above the ground and we regularly get temps in the 20s. I don't do any winter protection and the grafts are fine. I don't know if fortuniana is different.