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Green RomanticaWould like any info on Green Romantica. Thanks
Posted by kentucky_rose zone 6 May 25, 2013
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TNY78(7a-East TN)

Ditto what Kathy said here in Tennessee...terrible powdery mildew! I tried to grow it in my greenhouse so it wouldn't blackspot...and thus began the mildew issue.

Tammy

    Bookmark   May 25, 2013 at 11:12PM
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roseseek

Seems like another lovely Meilland florist rose suitable only for heavily sprayed, glass house growing, along with Black Baccara and Leonidas. Kim

    Bookmark   May 26, 2013 at 1:35AM
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seil zone 6b MI

Andrea, you can still mulch, etc. if you plant the under plantings a little away from the bottom of the rose. You don't really want anything right up against the base of the rose anyway. Just plant something out a foot or so away and it should be fine and mask the problem. I use mini roses sometimes to do this but you can use anything, perennials or annuals for that matter.

    Bookmark   May 25, 2013 at 11:26AM
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kittymoonbeam

That bare part is fine with me. Less leaves to get problems off the soil. Growing something in front of it will hide it. I like to have something casting shade on the root area anyway to keep them cool and moist.

    Bookmark   May 25, 2013 at 10:21PM
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aviastar 7A Virginia

Yay! It worked!

What a fabulous, plummy color that rose is!

    Bookmark   May 25, 2013 at 2:39PM
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C Schaffner

One of my favorites.

    Bookmark   May 25, 2013 at 6:42PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

Well, it certainly sounds worthy of more study -- and probably wider distribution.

Jeri

    Bookmark   May 25, 2013 at 3:39PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

None of the photos on HMF show 'Pasadena Tournament' regular or climbing as having quilled petals. They do often have scrolled petals, which is an opposite tendency in my experience. Has Jim or Pamela observed quilling on Cl. PT?

    Bookmark   May 25, 2013 at 3:56PM
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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

hehe....maybe they were "medicated" while writing the descriptions for their website.

    Bookmark   May 25, 2013 at 12:47PM
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strawchicago(zone 5a)

I never shoot anyone down, unless I have actual proof. That would be defamation and could incur a lawsuit for libel. I have no ties to Kelp4Less but my brother is a physician, and suffered plenty from an employee's revenge, whom he fired last year. That's why I never bad-mouth a business carelessly, when people need to work to feed their families.

There was Neptune Fish Fertilizer and some people here boycotted them due to their Menhaden harvest. I am a truth and info. seeker, so I wrote Neptune a letter to challenge them. I was feisty, and could had been nicer. Neptune wrote back 2-pages long explaining it's wrongful info. and slander, theirs is small business with families and children to feed. They sent me a press-release newspaper clipping on the facts.

I posted Neptune's letter in the Antique Roses Forum, and Ingrid apologized for believing in the wrong info. about Neptune. I respect Ingrid for her fairness and integrity.

I tried 2 products from Kelp4Less: monopotassium phosphate worked wonder: double the blooms on 2 bushes.

Their Iron Sulfate sucks ... killed 2 azaleas with sensitive surface roots, but was OK for my white pines (deeper roots). Then I checked U. of Extension and they said Iron Sulfate burns. So it's the product itself, and not who sell it.

The gypsum I got from local Menards, twice more expensive, didn't work, may be the granules were too big, and could not be dissolve. That's why I want to buy the powder- gypsum from Kelp4Less, to mix in water with citric acid, so the calcium will be released to the root zone.

I told Kelp4Less I'm going to test their 2-20-20 product, recommended by U. of Illinois Bulletin of salt-index. They told me go ahead, they have full confidence of their product against MiracleGro. I get zero discount for doing the experiment, that's why I respect them.

This post was edited by Strawberryhill on Sat, May 25, 13 at 15:34

    Bookmark   May 25, 2013 at 2:48PM
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gto66(z5 IL)

I planted my Blaze in 1979. In the past I have seen shoots grow from 6 to 10 inches out. I have just cut them. The leaves were a lighter color like your picture shows. Just don't remember counting the leaves on the new growth shoots.

    Bookmark   May 25, 2013 at 1:55PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Jackie, I don't know about leaflets. Many plants in commerce are labeled "Improved Blaze," supposedly a sport that is identical except for better repeat bloom. But people have posted that they found no difference in repeat bloom. I thought that in asking about "original," you wanted to exclude "improved." So I guess I was over-thinking, sorry.

    Bookmark   May 25, 2013 at 2:41PM
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harryshoe zone6 eastern Pennsylvania

I agree that the white may be dead aphids.

I do not treat aphids. Eventually lady bugs appear. The aphids disappear and my roses just go along happily.

Insecticide is used only in extreme situations.

Harry

    Bookmark   May 25, 2013 at 10:48AM
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QuestioningSerenity(9a)

I definitely know that the white is not aphid skeletons. I've seen a few of those before this white mildew(?) appeared.

Luckily I haven't noticed many new bugs lately, but I still plan on returning the Bayers...once I find that evil receipt!

    Bookmark   May 25, 2013 at 1:58PM
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buford(7 NE GA)

It's a sport. Many roses will have flowers of a different color now and then. I have a Roseberry Blanket that has sported light pink on a few canes for 2 years now. I'm going to try to propagate it.

I've had white and half white flowers on roses, clematis and azaleas. Usually in cooler weather.

    Bookmark   May 25, 2013 at 10:37AM
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seil zone 6b MI

Yes, it's a sport. During the forming of the bud something caused a small genetic mutation to occur and the resulting bloom is two colors instead of one. This type of sport is rarely stable and can't be propagated. Some sports that happen can be because the genetic mutation is further up the line. If you take a cutting of the sporting cane and root it and it reproduces the different bloom then it is a stable sport and a new variety. Sports happen more frequently than you think and have resulted in many new varieties. Keep watching your roses and you'll find other examples I'm sure.

    Bookmark   May 25, 2013 at 11:02AM
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brunosonio(z7WA)

Thanks for the tips! I will definitely feed it more this year, especially before doing any pruning next spring. It usually gets quite a few beautiful hips that stay on until Jan in our mild PNW winters (Christmas time is a great one for this rose.) I like the idea of selective and gentle pruning. It's been a great rose, one of the first things I put in the garden when we completely renovated it, and I'd like to see it stick around many more years.

    Bookmark   May 25, 2013 at 1:59AM
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buford(7 NE GA)

Maybe take out a few old canes at the base without severely pruning the others in length. That can spur the rose to put out new canes. You can then take out the remaining older canes in following years. I have found that direct sunlight on the base really gets new canes to sprout.

    Bookmark   May 25, 2013 at 7:47AM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

Article on Cornmeal & ants...

Cornmeal doesn't kill ants for one simple reason: ants don't eat solid foods. Ants carry solid food back to their nest. The food is then fed to the larvae. The larvae digest the food and regurgitate it to the worker ants. Worker ants then pass this food along through the colony. Ant larvae have no trouble digesting cornmeal, nor does it cause them to explode or starve.

Why Cornmeal Might Appear to Work
Cornmeal appears to work for a couple reasons. When sprinkled around areas where ants have been active, it disrupts their scent trails. Ants use scent trails to find food and water sources. Disrupting the scent trails stops ant activity for a short time --- at least until they get new trails laid down. Also, since many ants eat cornmeal, the ants have no need to travel past the line in search of food. So, the cornmeal seems like an efficient barrier but only because ants have no desire to go any farther. Pouring cornmeal on or around the nest also disrupts the nest, which causes ants to move, according to Kelly Loftin and John Hopkins, entomologists with the University of Arkansas. This seems like a good thing, but the ants are probably only a few feet away.

Read more: Does Corn Meal Really Kill Ants? : eHow http://www.ehow.com/info_8243816_corn-meal-really-kill-ants.html#ixzz2UF4XTGEy

    Bookmark   May 24, 2013 at 4:00PM
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bart_2010(8/9 Italy)

You could try Neem oil diluted in water; pour it on the ant colony. I sometimes have intense ant problems, too,and pouring vinegar on them seems to work, but I agree that this might not be a good idea for a colony right near a plant. I think using a poison in this case could be the best solution,if Neem oil doesn't work; after all, it would not be sprayed around or anything. I would try to get rid of them ASAP; they don't do rose roots any good...bart

    Bookmark   May 25, 2013 at 5:46AM
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seil zone 6b MI

Follow Jeri's advice. She knows what she's talking about. But I'd just like to chime in on your question about every rose growing different in different peoples gardens. The answer is yes! You can't go by class alone. You have to watch and see how each of your roses grows in your yard because it will be different than it is in Jeri's yard or my yard. They all have their own personalities and it takes some time of just observing them and how they respond to what ever you do to learn what each one's likes and dislikes are. I've discovered with more experience that a lot of my roses don't particularly like being pruned all that much. So I've started letting them just grow how they want and I'm getting healthier roses that bloom more often for me.

    Bookmark   May 24, 2013 at 7:22PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

Now, Seil said two things there that were massively important.

One is that your roses will grow differently in your garden than they will in my garden, or anyone else's garden (except, maybe, your next-door neighbor).

The other thing she said was:
" I've discovered with more experience that a lot of my roses don't particularly like being pruned all that much. So I've started letting them just grow how they want and I'm getting healthier roses that bloom more often for me."

There is, really, no law in the cosmos that says roses MUST be pruned. Toss that idea out, and give them a chance to show you what they want to be. They will! Just cut off dead stuff.

And since you live in the Delta area, I would very much like you to take a day-trip to the Sacramento City Cemetery's Historic Rose Garden (1000 Broadway, Sacramento). The day we walked into that rose garden -- in mid-November! -- changed our life. Go there, and spend a day at least, and see what roses are like when they're allowed to show what they want to be.

Jeri

    Bookmark   May 24, 2013 at 11:29PM
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anntn6b(z6b TN)

A friend with a major collection of old roses also gardens in Emmaus. He has known about RRD for several years because of gardens he has visited to the south and west.

    Bookmark   May 24, 2013 at 10:40PM
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luxrosa

I adore 'Poulsens Yellow' and there are very few modern roses I'd grow. The growth habit, and delicate blooms remind me of a China, and if I lived in a cold climate , where I couldn't grow Old Garden Teas or Chinas, it would be very high on my wish list.

Good luck with your new roses.

My last order from vintagegarden.com included a Florence Bowers Pink Tea' and I bought the last band of Forest Ranch purple Pom-Pom' (a purple Hybrid Perpetual that Sherrie B. found in Chico, ca)that they had at their table at the Old Rose Celebration. I hope to root a plant from it to give to the raffle there next year.

Luxrosa

    Bookmark   May 24, 2013 at 7:06PM
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TNY78(7a-East TN)

I'm glad we were both able to get those two Nasatara! I don't grow any roses from Jacobus...I'll have to check him out. If I find a breeder whose roses do well for me, I tend to stick with them (same for ones who don't do well). Right now I'm in lover with Gene Boerner...I can't get enough if his creations!

Thanks for the encouragement on Poulsen's Yellow. I'm always searching for a good yellow rose, so hopefully it will like it here :) I rec'd Forest Ranch Pompom my last Vintage order and it just finished blooming...really pretty plant and very healthy so far as we're going into blackspot season.

Tammy

Tammy

    Bookmark   May 24, 2013 at 8:47PM
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merlcat(7a)

Try looking on the undersides of the leaves and in the area where the leaf sets meet the canes. I swear I find them napping there. They are tiny and blend in, but can be seen if you look close.

    Bookmark   May 24, 2013 at 4:04PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

"Will they go away?" Some worms are temporary pests because they have only one life cycle per year. Others can build up over the season.

    Bookmark   May 24, 2013 at 4:19PM
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Susanne27(5a Ontario Canada)

Thank you Michael. I did as you suggested and most of the plants had one cane which showed some green just above the ground. If these are alive will new shoots come up from below ground? Another one showed no green stem above ground at all. Should I dig out around the plant and see what is going on underground?

    Bookmark   May 24, 2013 at 3:11PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Suzanne, I said "green inner bark" visible in cross section, not the external bark. Hope that's what you were looking for. Yes, roses that lose their tops can make shoots from the underground parts, as long as the graft is alive.

    Bookmark   May 24, 2013 at 3:17PM
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