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Also I think the best smelly red hybrid tea for coastal fog. An all-around winner, and one I recommend to folks often. Never mildews, which is unusual for any of the red hybrid teas.
Wish it were a brighter, truer red. That's really it's only drawback. Healthy bloomerific beast here in San Juan Capistrano.
This post was edited by kstrong on Sun, Aug 18, 13 at 17:42
Thank you so much! It does, in shape, etc., look like a category of roses Poulsen's website calls "Indoor Roses" - which is an oxymoron - Eewwww!
Anyway, you may be correct about the yellow/white bloom too - I just went out and looked at it carefully. The stem it is on goes back to the ground, and where it enters the soil there is a branching of it and 3 other stems, non of which have any blooms at the moment. The base of those stems is about 2 inches away from what looks like the base of the stems with the dark pink roses on them. I will keep an eye on them, and see what color they are when they bloom. I still may try and root the stem with the yellow/white rose on it - if it is a separate plant, it has always been way dominated by the other rose - it only has one or two yellow/white blooms a year. Thanks again for the info - very interesting.
Jackie
That's likely the cause. Some producers are even deliberately combining different colored minis in the same pot for the "mixed bouquet" effect. The Smart & Final here in Encino offered small pots of mixed red and white minis for Valentine's and Mother's Days. The varieties are selected for their ease of propagation and flowering well at very small sizes. To eliminate the time required to produce a bushy plant, multiple rooted cuttings are planted together so a full, flowering, "retail quality" product can be quickly pushed out the door. Very seldom are they considered for use once they are "mature", which is why many of them eventually produce three to five foot monsters with inch and a half flowers in the open ground. Kim
Actually found a web site with the information on this particular rose and it says zone 4 to 11. Brighter blooms says 5-10.... either way I'm in the clear.
Here is a link that might be useful: peach drift information
I've had the worst season of RRD this year since I've been growing roses in the mid 80's. I've already pitched 4 roses with it and 2 others have sprouted RRD canes which I've cut back to the crown trying to save them (if the RRD hasn't moved down to the roots). I've had luck with doing this before - about 20% of my roses being saved if I had caught the RRD in time. These last two roses I'm particularly fond of and don't want to loose which is why I'm chancing it..... Gotten more and more into daylilies as I've gotten older, and it's a good thing too. My rose days may be numbered. From one or two RRD roses every few years to this mess this year...Since Knock Outs started being planted in every gas station and rent house around here, there's more roses then ever to spread the mites that have the disease......Such a shame....... If it ever crosses the Rockies, I feel sorry for those in the mild climates along the coast.........Maryl
I regularly see KOs in commercial settings that have RRD. I would have to carry around a shovel with me to get rid of all of them. I too was able to save some roses by removing infected canes. Even my Ballerina, which was awfully affected and we thought we removed all the roots, came back and has been healthy so far.
I spoke to DA just this morning. The nice Customer Service Lady said that its a good rose for my climate (very similar to the Pacific Northwest). She said that its a heathy rose but not so hardy if I lived closer to the sea. (There's a couple very, very small mountains between the sea and my garden so I'm ok)
I also asked why its a lesser known variety. She answered a distinctive London accent, "it's just an older variety, we're not hiding it or anything. It's a lovely rose, beautiful cups with fewer petals so the rain doesn't affect them as much. It would do well for you in Donegal as long as your a bit inland from the coast."
I hope that helps. I'm not sure what your zone is.
M.
Thanks again for important information Jeri. I'm glad you alerted me of that growth habit. Would you say Altissimo might be a good substitute as a red pillar for Gloire des Rosomanes?
Your Setzer Noisette is lovely. Indeed I can't spot it in commerce anywhere, but it's one to keep in mind nevertheless. Perhaps I'll plan to have a central dual trained pillar between two single rose pillars since most of the varieties I'm captivated by seem a bit vigorous.
Jay
Jay, the only place I know that Setzer might show up is the Sacramento City Cemetery, because we donated it to the garden, but you might check with Burlington Rose Nursery.
Altissimo is a true Pillar climber, in that it goes straight up and fans out manageably. It was never happy in my garden, but a friend grew it in La Conchita. It grew all the way up her 2-story home. I have envied it for years. It's a good coastal rose.
But for myself, I like 'Fourth of July' more. Personal preference. (See below)
Jeri
My Renae is always simi double in the spring and very double in the heat of summer, and once in awhile in the twenty some years that I have been growing it a thorn pops up to catch my attention.
I haven't been on this forum in years do to bad health. My garden has suffered greatly because of my health problems but now I am trying to rebuild it. I lost most of my roses during my illness but Renae is one that is still growing and blooming with no change. I just purchased Annie Laurie McDowell can't wait to see how she stacks up in my garden. Great week ahead of me, just picked up a large order of roses from Burlington Roses to start replacing those lost.
Thanks Maryl. It sure is hard to pull up those roses. I have pulled up at least 4 and cut back a lot to see what happens.
There are so many Knock Out roses planted by offices and city landscaping that I bet next summer is going to be even worse.
Does it ever go away? I no longer have Japanese Beatles but this is more serious.
I side with the squeamish people on controlling with violence....And we've got some doozies this year too. I saw my garden Gnome riding one the other day like a small pony. I'm talking big folks. Which is why it surprised me when I spotted this fellow having lunch on one the other day. Thought they were too big for these guys, but apparently not....Maryl
Nah -- dig the darn thing out and plant something worth growing, which would not be Dr. Huey. Dr. Huey makes a good root stock but is not a good rose in this SoCal climate. You will have to spend mega bucks keeping it from getting major disease for one bloom cycle per year. Who needs that? Invest a few bucks at a nursery or even Home Depot and get something YOU like. Most everything that is of more recent introduction -- the past several years -- is much better disease-wise than Dr. Huey, and most everything has more than one bloom cycle. And roses are not that expensive.
If it is Dr. Huey and you do keep it, you will have what is probably the most common rose in So Cal other than Iceberg (the white landscaping plant seen everywhere, start with In-N-Out burger). Wander around your subdivision in the spring and you will see lots of them.
Here is a link that might be useful: Pic of full grown Dr. Huey
For a Southern California garden, as Kstrong says, a rootstock reversion is overwhelmingly likely to be 'Dr. Huey,' and unless you want to maintain a rigorous spray program (DON'T!) this is just not a rose you want to grow.
The only other thing that shows up in CA with any regularity is "Ragged Robin." ('Gloire des Rosomanes') You're only going to find that in gardens (or at homes) dating back to maybe the 1930's. (And that's too bad, because "Ragged Robin" is really a GREAT rose!
If your home was new in the 50's, or 60's, or later, you probably have 'Dr. Huey.' Unless you have nothing else to play with in your new home and garden, the best advice, probably, is to write him off, and start over.
Jeri
I grow Caramel FT as a small climber, the main canes arch over, and the blooms come off of laterals. I cut a lot of it off after the first flush (early July). It is now in full bloom again, the only one (other than Blushing KO) in the garden that looks good.
Thanks, everyone, for the responses. Like I said in the message, I'm in northeastern CT. I've just never had this problem with a rose before. I have roses planted in my front yard that are two feet apart, Graham Thomas, Bonica, Dr. Huey and Elsie May, and they all bloom beautifully. The knockouts are great as well.
When I first bought this rose, I started using Bayer after I saw the "burnt edges" look it had. I thought the Fairy was a pretty carefree rose.
First off, throw away the Bayer and other insecticides. Nothing needs that much "treatment."
Now, based on my The Fairy which did the same thing for several years, transplant it to a place where it gets more sun and has more elbow room. Then water it in very well and keep an eye on it for the next few weeks so that it does not dry out.
Now wait. While you are waiting, you might lightly trim off those flowering duds--just to make the whole thing look nicer. And spread some mulch around so that the Fairy will like its attractive new home.
When it flowers, enjoy it--and make sure it doesn't dry out.
No guarantees, but that is how I "cured" my Fairy after it drove me to frustration for several years. Worth a try anyway. : )
Kate