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MeToe(3a)

Thank you, I'll try those suggestions for this winter. Don't need to worry much about them not being covered in snow, once it starts here... It doesn't stop until march! I'll look for the far north forum too, thank you. I think if they remaining 3 don't come back next year I'll replace with something else besides roses. Something that will survive up here :)

    Bookmark     August 13, 2013 at 10:18AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Do try planting the hardiest roses. Some of the Explorers are rated for zone 3.

    Bookmark     August 13, 2013 at 2:52PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Yeah, Frank was a great guy and bred really beautiful roses. He is missed a lot.

    Bookmark     August 11, 2013 at 1:27PM
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countrygirl_sc, elev 1016(7a SC)

a few come to mind. #1. Bought a Tropicana at Kmart for 50 cents in the early 70s, had beautiful fragrant blooms for 30 years before I lost it. #2. bought La Marne at Home Depot about 10 years ago in a two gallon pot for $1. It's always the first to bloom and blooms all summer, never has a problem with disease. Talk about the best $1 that I ever spent! #3. About 7 years ago someone pulled up a white rose by the roots to bring to a plant swap and didn't wrap it in wet newspaper or anything. Didn't know the name, it only had two little canes. I took it at the end of the swap because she was going to throw it away. Drove around all day with that poor rose in the back of a pickup in the hot sun. Put it in water that night and the next day it had perked up. So I planted it. It has been a consistent bloomer, but this year WOW! It has been covered with fragrant blooms all summer! I suspect it might be Iceberg, but haven't seen one that I can compare it to.

    Bookmark     August 13, 2013 at 1:26PM
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maxyck

Would aphids do this? Shortly after I posted my message I took another look and I saw two aphids, but had not seen any before. Meanwhile I'm going to use soapy water. Sorry, I don't know how to post a picture. But I will get some help re: this. Thanks.

    Bookmark     August 13, 2013 at 11:09AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Stems would have to be totally encrusted with aphids for a week to cause any noticeable damage to the subsequent flower.

Freezing can cause a pebbly texture to petals, but that's impossible in midsummer.

I would dismantle the buds and look with a magnifier for small critters. This doesn't sound like damage from flower thrips, but maybe so.

    Bookmark     August 13, 2013 at 12:54PM
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poorbutroserich(Nashville 7a)

I love frogs. Can't seem to create an environment they enjoy.
Too cute.
Susan

    Bookmark     August 12, 2013 at 9:11PM
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

I love frogs, but it's too dry around here for them--but then it's too dry for slugs, too. They all dried up and blew away. I guess they can't take having only 4.46 inches of precipitation over the past eight months. Diane

    Bookmark     August 13, 2013 at 3:13AM
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susan4952(5)

Are u using HMF? Strong myrrh fragrance.

    Bookmark     August 12, 2013 at 2:30PM
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minflick(9b/7, Boulder Creek, CA)

I do check on HMF, but there's no substitute for a real life nose fest!

Melinda

    Bookmark     August 13, 2013 at 12:04AM
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andreark

Thanks a bunch for the encouragement. Carding Mill and the 3 miniatures are all doing beautifully. They have even made some new babies (sorry, I'm mushy) since I put them into their new homes.

Since you already have experience with potted roses, can you tell me how much work it is to repot them when they need it? The miniatures don't worry me, but the Carding Mill is in a container that took 3 bags of E.B. Stone Edna's Best. (1.5 cu feet apiece). That's a lot of dirt to wrestle with. I understand that it should be done about every 3 or 4 years.

Do you do this?

thanks again,

andrea

    Bookmark     August 12, 2013 at 7:32PM
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racin_rose

Well...to be honest I haven't had mine 3-4 years...but as big as your pot is, I would treat it like a rose in the ground. I would prune it, shovel it along the dripline to a manageable root ball, and re-pot. If you think about transplanting a mature plant that's been in the ground, we are able to really cut through the roots and after a break the plant bounces right back.

Your container seems huge, I wouldn't really anticipate having to re-pot it. The only issue of concern to me is that over the course of several years the soil will degrade to the point where you'd almost be growing the rose hydroponically because you'd have to provide everything for it.

I've read up on this quite a bit, and it seems to me that most people only observe that container growing limits the overall size of the plant, and binding of the roots can be a concern after several years in a pot. I have noticed that miniatures outgrow their containers very quickly!

I'm putting up a greenhouse and doing a long-term study on growing roses in "smart pots" or "grow bags" instead of non-porous containers. In theory, they should never require re-potting because of the air pruning effect of these containers. We shall see...

I'm hoping some experts can give you better insight into this.

    Bookmark     August 12, 2013 at 10:11PM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Water a lot. Fire that guy.

    Bookmark     August 12, 2013 at 2:42PM
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seil zone 6b MI

That's a shame! I agree, fire him! But don't worry because your rose will grow back. If he left you 3 feet of cane it should start to branch out again from there. There's no way to know how long it may take for that variety to return to it's former stature. It will depend a lot on the vigor of your rose but it will be beautiful once again I'm sure.

    Bookmark     August 12, 2013 at 3:17PM
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pat_bamaz7

I grow Rock & Roll, but we have mild winters. Here, mine is narrow at the base and widening to about 4 to 5 feet at top. No bare knees...foliage to the ground. Beautiful blooms in the spring and fall. Here, mine will keep blooming all summer, but blooms are much smaller and they lose most of their splashes and stripes when it heats up...become mostly red with faint pink variegation. Very fragrant even in the heat, though. Blooms may keep their red and white coloring in the summer for you in your cooler zone.

Spring blooms:

And a summer one:

    Bookmark     August 11, 2013 at 9:41PM
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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

Rock & Roll is reliably hardy, and mostly tip hardy for me in zone 5a. It's next to Stars 'n' Stripes Forever, so it's sometimes hard to tell where one bush starts and the other stops, but both are big bushes for me - at least 5' tall and a good 4' wide if I let them. You'll like it - it's a great striped rose for cold zones.

Let me know if All American Magic overwinters for you. It wimped out totally for me once in the winter, and I'm pondering trying it again. Where did you get yours?

Cynthia

    Bookmark     August 12, 2013 at 2:06PM
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SnailLover(5a MI)

Wow, I had no idea. I always thought you were supposed to cut roses way back in the fall. No wonder I've never had good luck with them. I'm glad I asked first. Thanks!

    Bookmark     August 11, 2013 at 11:34AM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

SnailLover

If your rose canes get winterkilled to or near ground level then you have no choice but to prune low to ground even in the Spring time..

But rose bushes that have winter hardy canes with not much dieback you have a choice on how much you want to prune off.

Yes, do hard pruning in the Spring...

    Bookmark     August 12, 2013 at 1:49PM
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mad_gallica(zone 5 - eastern New York)

Next spring, cut about a third of the oldest canes down to the ground.

It's standard deciduous shrub renewal pruning - nothing fancy. However, if it is in a lot of shade, the new growth will do the same thing.

    Bookmark     August 12, 2013 at 11:23AM
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floridarosez9

And send the clippings to me. LOL

    Bookmark     August 12, 2013 at 1:15PM
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bgaviator(7)

yes, they have bloomed for me this year. I staked up some of the longer canes with these thing bamboo stakes I have....I just didn't like how they were flopping over from the weight. When would be a good time to prune the long canes back? Should I do it in the fall, or in the spring? They are still currently blooming. Thanks.

    Bookmark     August 12, 2013 at 6:53AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Now or in the spring, not in the fall.

    Bookmark     August 12, 2013 at 11:31AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Next year, order for delivery in May. Actually, in your zone, I would consider postponing delivery until May. But if not, I would plant it immediately so it begins to harden up.

What size plant is this? Band, 1-gal., etc.

    Bookmark     August 12, 2013 at 11:12AM
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v1rt

I am not sure what the size is but I remember the website says it's 18 inches.

    Bookmark     August 12, 2013 at 11:24AM
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bluegirl_gw

I can easily sympathize with someone being driven CRAZY by cicada song. Fortunately, I tune it out.

Now, when toads start singing all night....BREEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Arg, I've been known to go out with a flashlight & catch them in a bucket to dump them in another part of the yard. Several times a night *sigh*. Hasn't been a problem in a long time--no water. Think it would now be a welcome sound to hear them celebrating a nice rain. Funny what sounds are annoying & what sounds you just tune out.

    Bookmark     August 9, 2013 at 9:31PM
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altorama(5/6 MA)

Last time they came out, the cicada wasps did as well. They are interesting-they go into a cicada nest, captures one and takes it to her 'burrow'. Then she lays an egg on it and it lives off the cicada. Last time they were here we observed this, it was cool!

    Bookmark     August 12, 2013 at 1:28AM
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frances_in_nj(z6 NJ)

Well, I think you'll love New Dawn! I DO have a suggestion for a hardy, mostly thorn-less climber, however, and that is Felix Le Clerc. Its a new-ish one for me (I have only had it one year) so I can't tell you too much, but it IS mostly thornless and blooms a lot! Supposedly hardy to zone 3. My one hesitation is I'm not sure it'll get big enough for your pergola. Still - worth a look!

Good luck!

Best,

Frances

    Bookmark     August 11, 2013 at 7:16PM
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v1rt

Thanks for the input :) Appreciate it a lot!

    Bookmark     August 11, 2013 at 7:47PM
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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

Thanks for posting this update! Those of us in cold zones are always looking for roses that can be beautiful as well as hardy under these conditions. I find that The McCartney rose is coming into its own in my yard in its 3rd year, and Elina has always been good for me. I've had Headliner in my wish list for some time and you're convincing me to bump it up in the plans!

Cynthia

    Bookmark     August 11, 2013 at 2:16PM
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