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You're welcome Bebba. Glad I could help. By the time the rust turns black, it's at the end of the cycle and may still be infectious. If you've already sprayed with something and you intend upon maintaining your garden hygeine, all you probably need to do is to do is just keep doing what you're doing. Rust this late in the season is likely nothing to worry about. Disease is, in my opinion, one way Nature "tells" the plants it's time to rest for "winter". Spraying now would probably just waste and pollute your garden needlessly. Good luck! Kim
Hi Cliff
I'm so glad you dropped by to see this tribute! I'd thought about dropping you an email to show you the ED roses in context in my own yard but I got to thinking about how huge an email that would be. Besides, I knew we had many other GW folks wanting to show off their bounty from your nursery. Like Beth, I am also loving my Andre Willemse, First Great Western, Twice in a Blue Moon, and Gilbert Becaud from you, but she has better photos than I do of most of those (particularly the lavenders). It's wonderful to look through these photos and see the striking variety of colors and textures across the different roses! Increasing that diversity is one of the many things we have to be grateful about from the ED legacy.
Seil, I admit I hadn't known that Trump Card had anything to do with Donald Trump, and I find the pun better than the man it refers to by a long shot. Not only is Trump Card a nicer color combination than Rosie O'Donnell, the latter is a name I really would have to struggle to include in my yard.
Nastarana, thanks for the reminder about Sesame Street and Buffy St. Marie. It's amazing how much of our cultural heritage is linked to shows like that from our childhood, though I hesitate to admit I only knew of that show from the kids I babysat (I was a Romper Room child myself - oooh, now that dates me).
I'm glad we've been able to get a chorus of folks posting their roses growing from Eurodesert, and now that Cliff has dropped by it's a great chance to drop him a thanks or tell of a favorite story related to one of his roses.
Cynthia
I didn't think anybody used Benomyl anymore. I am told that many years ago there was something in it that killed a lot of roses. The company never took responsibility. Anyway, I wish the researchers had tested Vegard against what people use now. I've never had powdery mildew so I don't know what they use now... but one needs to know what is available just in case.
Green Cure is an organic pesticide that works very well against PM, its active ingredient is potassium bicarbonate which is a food additive that has a GRAS designation. It is also labeled for black spot & some other problems but most rose people find that it only works well on PM.
I only have 2 floribundas: Livin Easy and Sexy Rexy. I like them both very much. I agree, the name "Sexy Rexy" is awful but the rose is really wonderful.
I am currently tearing out some lawn and putting in a new bed (this has GOT to be my last rose bed!) and I'm putting in Easy Does it. It is a very nice rose.
I generally prefer OGR's to moderns but there are some moderns I like very much.
Ah, thanks Seil. I've had reasonably good luck from others of Sheldon's roses, so I might give Strawberry Romance another try. That is, if I can work out a way to stop the "black finger of death" when I plant grafted roses - I have some new tips to try this year, so I might be buying again from Regan before long.
I couldn't tell CB was a mini, but it's lovely - testament to your photography, of course!
Cynthia
Cynthia, you have so many exquisite photos posted on several of the current threads, I can't decide on which to post my comments--my head is spinning from all the beautiful shots. I just love the artful picture of Rosenstadt Friesing, so unusual and eye catching. But the stunner is the Dames de Chenonceau with Polka overflowing in the background. It's like a cornucopia of beauty. Yum. Give us a tour of your garden, please. And thanks for posting all these photos. Diane
Paul, last I knew, is also writing for Fine Gardening. His forum hasn't been terribly active lately, but that's not all that unusual for this time of year.
Another rose expert, Hannes, might also respond.
And I second Helpmefind.com. Although when I looked up Westerland, most of the pix didn't match yours.
Lynn
This post was edited by thedogsLL on Sun, Dec 15, 13 at 18:52
Nastarana, when I purchased Harrison's Yellow from Corn Hill 20 years ago, they did ship to the US. Several years ago, I noted that they were not shipping to the US anymore. Their current website indicates that they are once again shipping to the US. The following is copied from their "Ordering and Shipping Information" page:
US Customers, please note, due to long delays at the border we can no longer guarantee that plants arrive in good shape.
U.S. Customers
Phytosanitary fee is $15.00US and will be added to the shipping charges.
Here is a link that might be useful: Ordering and Shipping Information - Corn Hill Nursery
Thanks for the input, everyone. As tempted as I am to just stick them in the ground, I will probably just pot them up and put them in the greenhouse. We've already had a bout of unusually cold weather here in SA, so maybe we will have a few more bouts that might threaten any bands placed in the ground. It's just a matter of a few months, I guess. We prune here at the end of February, so it will probably be safe to plant them in the ground by then..... The larger plants I picked up from ARE at the beginning of the month, though, are going in the ground this week! Thanks again!
I just got in a shipment from Vintage Gardens. Some had nice think canes and really looked like they needed the 3 gallon pots. I potted these up. Others were very small with thin canes and looked like they even needed to stay in their band pots a while longer. These, I put in the greenhouse. They just looked too frail to have to deal with the colder weather we are getting. We are in the low 30's at night, sometimes down to 28. Think I will watch these carefully and let them grow in their band pots until after the holidays are over - then mix up a good potting mix and put them in gallon pots and leave them in the greenhouse, putting them out on any nice warmer days we might have. This is Texas after all - so 70 degree days in January are not out of the question. I got a shipment in a few weeks ago from Vintage - potted them all up in gallons and left them outside and some of those are even putting out a bit of new growth, so think they are fine.
In San Antonio, you all will get warmer weather quicker than I will - I think you are wise to let them stay in the greenhouse until mid/late February. Don't forget to let them acclimate to weather outside the greenhouse but putting them out a few hours a day before you get ready to plant them out. You will enjoy watching them grow in the greenhouse - I also start daylily seeds in the greenhouse during the winter.
Judith
Alba Medilland.
I like all the Medilland series, and I think Alba is the best of all.
It is really a repeat blooming short rambler, or large shrub. It so far grew well for me in CA, hot and dry, and now is growing and blooming well in NY, cold and wet. Bloom was almost constant in CA, not quite as much bloom in NY, but still does repeat reliably all summer into fall. The small leaves are shiny and seem to resist most diseases; for me it had almost no BS, and no mildew in CA.
Canes are long and flexible and can be easily trained, or left to make a pretty, arching shrub. In my present 5a climate, it is the next best thing to growing Noisettes, having the the same graceful habit and appearance, but no fragrance. It is an excellent landscape shrub which I believe will grow most places where roses can be grown.
If I'm not mistaken, High Country Rosarium used to tissue culture quite a few roses, too. In the late 80's, when Moet owned Armstrong Roses, they had the corporate connection with Delbard and offered Mr. Lincoln, Prima Donna and Double Delight as tissue cultured "Roselings". They were very small, band sized, own root plants which sold for about $19.95. I grew Mr. Lincoln and my best friend bought the Double Delight for his parents. That was the second most expensive rose I'd bought to that time. Kim
This post was edited by roseseek on Sun, Dec 15, 13 at 2:49
If you had planted them all in the garden soil last spring, I think you would find there is no hardiness difference due to grafted and own root--especially (for Zone 6 gardeners anyway) if the graft had been planted an inch or so under the soil line. (The graft is the more sensitive point.)
I don't think there would be anything to worry about unless the temps started regularly dropping down to 28 or lower degrees.
The other differences might just be due to the natural hardiness of each type of rose. Not all Austins are created equally cold hardy.
I'm not sure if how long they have been planted in pots makes a difference or not. I always plant in the spring, occasionally as late as mid-summer, but that gives my roses 4 months or more to settle in and develop good roots before the frigid winter temps. Some roses may need more than 2 months to develop a decent root system.
Since there are several factors that might affect roses in pots (how about drainage also?), I think it is mostly coincidence that your grafted plants turned yellow before the own root ones did. But let's see what others have to say on this also.
Kate
If a rose is budded on the laxa understock, there would be no problems with below zero cold. Roses will do fine if some sort of mulch is placed around the pots for protection. Own root roses won't survive any better than grafted ones if the rose is a tender type to start with. One gets the opinion that all say hybrid teas have the same hardiness but many are not hardy unless budded onto a hardy understock.
Susan, in zone 7 and colder you must insulate around the pots with something like a pile of leaves. The smaller the pot, the quicker it cools down at night. And rose roots are more winter tender than hardened rose canes, because in nature they are protected by the ground heat. Push the pots together to create thermal mass, leave them in contact with the soil, and put leaves all around the outside.
This post was edited by michaelg on Fri, Dec 13, 13 at 13:21
Damn. I think I've killed some of mine. They feel frozen solid and some of the soil has pulled away from the side of the pot. Have them in black nursery plastic pots.
Oh no. Will there be any change to foliage or stem if the roots are frozen but the plant still had leaves (IOW will I be able to tell if they are dead before spring?).
I went out and pushed them together and insulated them with leaves and pine straw. Some of them were on concrete dang it.
What a dunce I am...
Susan
Cicadas make deep jagged gashes through the bark and into the wood.
Rose bark changes as the cane matures. I can't make anything out in the photos, but I doubt this is anything more than normal change.
It just looks like normal bark to me - lots of roses get bark on their older canes. Not to worry.
Jackie