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professorroush(6A)

I don't spray Rugosas here in Zone 6a. Therese will bloom at about 2-3 feet high, never fear, and I've never seen blackspot on her.

Here is a link that might be useful: Garden Musings blog on Therese Bugnet

    Bookmark   June 2, 2012 at 7:28PM
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mzdee(6b)

Just curious how she did for you? I got mine at a bargain last year. She immediately dropped all of her leaves and I thought she was a goner. But she's back with her first flush of blooms. Very very pretty. I had to kill off the pesky caterpillars so I sprayed with an organic fungicide today. Before I read the rest of this post oops.....

    Bookmark   May 17, 2013 at 6:49PM
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seil zone 6b MI

I think Paul Zimmerman has a great video about transplanting roses.

Here is a link that might be useful: Moving roses video

    Bookmark   May 16, 2013 at 8:24PM
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bobby_c(z7 DC)

Thanks all!

    Bookmark   May 17, 2013 at 1:28PM
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lainey2(7a)

Wow! I had no idea it would get that tall. I think my label says 3X3.

    Bookmark   May 15, 2013 at 10:52PM
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pat_bamaz7

Our winters are very mild, so my roses almost always get taller than their labels say they will. We've had an uncharacteristically cool spring, so most of my roses are blooming later than usual, but they are getting tall already. CdM is already chest high (I'm 5'6), so might exceed 5ft this year. The others I have in Weeks Easy Series with the exception of Julia Child, which I try to keep shorter, all get at least 6 ft by end of summer (Easy Going, Easy Does It, Livin Easy, Hot Cocoa). If you are looking for more no spray roses, this whole series is great. Easy Going, Easy Does It and Livin Easy are all as bulletproof as knockouts when it comes to disease even with our high humidity here. Hot Cocoa and Julia Child, like CdM, will get a little bit occasionally, but doesn't stop them and they recover quickly without it spreading through the whole bush. All of the series are covered in blooms continuously no matter what the weather...heat, rain, etc don't phase them a bit. Here's another pic of CdM from this morning...more and more of those buds are starting to open.

    Bookmark   May 17, 2013 at 12:12PM
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peachymomo(Ca 8)

Just to play devil's advocate I'd like to point out that there are plenty of rose bushes that will grow as tall as or taller than a standard rose. There is a Mr. Lincoln at my Mom's house that has flowers peeking over the 8' fence. At my house I have a standard Julia Child and a bush Dream Come True next to each other and the top flowers are at the same height.

Standards will give you height faster however, and a line of them can be especially attractive. One of my neighbors has a row of rose trees planted along her curving front walkway and I always admire how nice it looks.

    Bookmark   May 17, 2013 at 9:33AM
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socks

I like rose trees but hate it when they lean. A neighbor has them lining the walk, in the shade no less, and they lean over and look awful.

    Bookmark   May 17, 2013 at 10:42AM
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Campanula UK Z8

The Complete Book of Roses - Gerd Krussman

There are no shiny pictures in this rather old fashioned book.....but when the Beales (Peter and daughter, Amanda) claim this book as their most essential guide, it does suggest that it contains a wealth of information. As well as sections on the rose as a cultural artefact, it contains the most comprehensive description of species roses in any book or manual I have found. It is exacting, clear and highly practical, dealing with all aspects of rose culture, from lineage to rootstocks, genetics to social history. By far and away, the most useful book for serious gardeners. Last updated in the mid 80s, it obviously has no information on rose developments after that time....but is still a highly comprehensive book which has become an essential addition to my library.

    Bookmark   May 16, 2013 at 4:50PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

The right rose books for you -- that depends on where you are.

I began with the great British books -- and that was a mistake. Their advice was all wrong for someone in my conditions. I couldn't have made worse choices.

Jeri

    Bookmark   May 16, 2013 at 11:34PM
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catspa_NoCA_Z9_Sunset14

Andre, your lettuce or your life? One of what you sprayed is labeled as "systemic" (incorporated and, to some degree, more or less, mobile in plant tissues), the other "mesostemic" (long term residual, also seems to be mobile in plant tissues). Call me queasy, but I wouldn't eat it, personally (and I'm a notorious glyphosphate defender...).

    Bookmark   May 16, 2013 at 9:46PM
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andrepap(z7Md)

Thanks, catspa. I choose my life !!
If one is "long term residual" should I not plant anything else there for a while? (I had hoped to have green pepper plants succeed the lettuce)

    Bookmark   May 16, 2013 at 9:49PM
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bluegirl_gw

That's so pretty. I love Iceberg--such a happy rose. First rose I planted when I moved here.

    Bookmark   May 16, 2013 at 6:54PM
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seil zone 6b MI

It's lovely! Looks like it loves that Magic Mix!

    Bookmark   May 16, 2013 at 7:04PM
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minflick(9b/7, Boulder Creek, CA)

OK. Don't do bugs, so don't know what kind of spidey this is, but it looks like a lentil with legs, very much at the ready! There are spiders all OVER all my roses, so I figure I didn't do TOO much damage with the neem spraying a few months ago. No sign of all the ladybugs and praying mantis babies I figure should be there, but also not too many aphids anymore, so life appears to be OK.

I just wondered why on earth my bright yellow rose would be so pastel and have so much pink on it. I mean, it's NOT a band, it was a big honking bare root, even though it IS new to me and just in the dirt 3 months now.

Ignorance is very much not bliss!!!

Melinda

    Bookmark   May 16, 2013 at 1:27PM
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seil zone 6b MI

If this is the first bloom I'd wait and see what the next ones look like. Mine do wash out sometimes in cold weather.

    Bookmark   May 16, 2013 at 5:28PM
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densiemill

She continues to bloom...oh how I love her

    Bookmark   May 16, 2013 at 3:15PM
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merlcat(7a)

I'm jealous, too!

I bought one last year bare root as a body bag but lost her. I did let her bloom to see that she was she, and boy was she beautiful!

She was the one I liked the most of my several purchases and the only one lost. Bummer.

She is beautiful, hope she gives you many more to come!:)

    Bookmark   May 16, 2013 at 3:36PM
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the_bustopher z6 MO

There are some rather spectacular examples of tree roses here. But, if you have them in cold winter areas, do you do the "Minnesota tip", or some other winter protection method? The "Minnesota tip" is digging up one side of the rose and bending it over onto the ground, anchoring it down, and burying it for the winter. Then when spring comes, uncovering it, setting it back up, and letting it get going. To me, a well-grown tree rose is beautiful, but not a real good choice for here in the midwest unless that extra care is standard operating procedure. Does anyone do this, and if so, does this work reasonably well?

    Bookmark   August 24, 2009 at 11:51PM
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cadillactaste

I found this post informative and also enjoyed the photos...I recently received a Playboy Tree for Mothers Day. I am trying to decide on what soil and pot size to use when I repot it from the one it came in.

The pruning guide I will attempt to follow. Though I am new to all this...I see the spring pruning will be the most difficult for me. Because it is done so harsh. But if the end results are best then I will attempt to do so.

Who knows...I have a few areas that some potted roses would work. The weeping rose tree is amazing! I may have to also look into that if I do we'll with winterizing mine and it comes back next spring.

    Bookmark   May 16, 2013 at 1:32PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Ken, I've used Bayer for years with not a bit of burning or staining or noticeable residue. Could something else be the cause?

    Bookmark   May 16, 2013 at 11:37AM
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diane_nj 6b/7a

Do you mean residue like mancozeb leaves behind? I don't find it to be worse than mancozeb, but yes, the Bayer fungicide can leave a residue. Using a finer spray nozzle helps, and I try not to leave a heavy coating.

    Bookmark   May 16, 2013 at 1:26PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Kousa, that plant looks great. Yay.

Patty, the flower bud looks normal. Upper leaves with only one leaflet are also normal on KO. I am still concerned about that ribbonlike, curly stuff in the first picture. Has any herbicide been used around this plant? Keep close watch and come back with pictures if you see any more strange growth.

    Bookmark   May 16, 2013 at 12:27PM
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PattyW16(8)

Michaelg,
I guess it is possible that a herbcide affected it. My husband put out some weed and feed in another part of the yard and sprayed some Roundup on other parts of the property, not near the roses. He always uses a grounder when he sprays to prevent drift. Also, I live in an agricultural area and although there are no fields adjacent to our property, planes do fly over all the time on the way to and from the ag airports. So there is always a possibility, even if not a probability. After reading more about RRD I think I am safe in that there is a lot of this red growth and RRD develops slowly. Also, there have been no documented outbreaks of it in Louisiana. I will keep watching and thanks so much for your help! I am glad that someone suggested posting pictures!

    Bookmark   May 16, 2013 at 12:42PM
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caldonbeck(UK (8))

We're gonna need a pic :-)

    Bookmark   May 16, 2013 at 1:14AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Does this plant have a single vertical trunk and then several branches coming out close together at the top of the trunk? If so it might be a "tree rose" with the pink variety grafted on top of a trunk (AKA "standard") of a different variety. If this is the case, you would need to cut the pink variety way back to reduce the weight and apply a tight splint to the cracked trunk in hope that it would heal. Tree roses need to be supported by a couple of stout, permanent stakes.

If it does not seem to be a tree rose, you can try cutting it back to below the split; although it might die, it will probably sprout new growth of the pink variety. If it is vine-like, it needs a trellis, say 8' wide, to which you would tie the canes.

    Bookmark   May 16, 2013 at 12:15PM
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seil zone 6b MI

In zone 5 your Playboy rose tree won't winter unless it is very well protected. I would pot it and keep it in a garage over the winter if you want to keep it alive. I have seen several Knock Out rose trees recently advertised as winter hardy but I doubt a Playboy would be. It's a different type of rose and not as hardy or vigorous growing as Knock Out.

They must have budded up a bizillion of these Playboy trees this year because I've seen them at two nurseries and at Home Depot this spring.

If you want more info on growing and wintering roses and rose trees in pots do a search on here. There are many threads with good info on how to do it.

    Bookmark   May 13, 2013 at 5:31PM
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cadillactaste

Thanks seil...I am definitely keeping this potted. I would hate to have this not come back due to it being a gift from my boys. I appreciate your sound advice on the probability of it not coming back next year if planted in our zone.

I will do as you suggested to learn more on ported roses. Thanks for your post.

    Bookmark   May 16, 2013 at 12:14PM
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diane_nj 6b/7a

The swings in temps have caused some thinner than usual leaves on many of my plants, and a lot of growth similar to the one in the photo. Looks normal to me, and will grow out of it when the temps rise and stay steady.

    Bookmark   May 15, 2013 at 7:48PM
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jeffwul

You guys are great, thanks! It must be the temps. I started gardening here 2 years ago when it's only been winter to hot and never seen growth like that on the other roses.

    Bookmark   May 16, 2013 at 6:30AM
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