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Terry Crawford

This is what I live with also....holding my breath every day and panicking every time I see an anomaly or weird growth pattern on the roses. I almost feel paranoid at times....and over-diagnosing and worrying who will fall victim next.

My roses were hit hard last year and I took out so many mature climbers and HTs that I wondered at times if I was foolish to even grow roses. Two years ago I SP'd 'Tina Turner' and 'Gertrude Jekyll', but since they were own-root, I missed pieces of the roots and they have regrown and symptoms have not returned yet. I am hopeful but cautious.

This devastating disease has been the catalyst for the removal of a whole western rose garden, which is now home to dwarf conifers, heaths, and heathers. To replant roses in that section would be to ensure a death sentence for innocent roses.

    Bookmark   May 10, 2013 at 2:14PM
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buford(7 NE GA)

It may not be the soil as much as the location of the beds. They may be in a prime spot for the mites to land. Just like my Reve d'Or was in a prime spot to be damaged by the wind.

I do like the name Zombie Roses though.

    Bookmark   May 10, 2013 at 2:20PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

That's just something that some people have said and others have repeated.

The virus may be living in root sections which could send up infected shoots. In that case, you would just dig it up promptly. Be sure you have cleared the old roots out for a reasonable distance around the new plant.

But the disease is not transmissible from the soil to the new plant.

The leading RRD researcher, Jim Amrine, says it is OK to replant.

    Bookmark   May 10, 2013 at 2:18PM
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peachymomo(Ca 8)

I just noticed some of those circles the other day and wondered if they were from leaf cutter bees, how cool! I would love to see one at work, I'm always thrilled when I realize a new bug I've never seen before is a kind of bee.

Recently I was dead heading my Gold Medal and while deciding whether a somewhat faded bloom should be clipped a little bee came to visit. At first I thought it was a wasp because it was smaller than a honeybee and had a thinner body, but then I saw the furriness and small pollen sacks on the legs and I realized it must be some kind of little bee. I left the bloom alone.

    Bookmark   May 10, 2013 at 10:41AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

The bee uses her body length like a compass to make those neat circles.

    Bookmark   May 10, 2013 at 1:05PM
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bluegirl_gw

At a feed store that has poultry supplies. One brand here is "Gran-i-grit". You want the "grower" size. A lot of poultry grit is crushed oyster shell--you DON'T want that--make sure it's the granite.

Dunno if you have TSC stores up there (Tractor Supply Company), stock it, but so do most plain old feedstores.

I just recently found a good source of pine fines. Hapi-gro "landscape mix" from Lowes store (again, don't know if the chain has stores near you, but bags of fines are often sold as soil conditioners to fluff up clay soils).
Good luck.

    Bookmark   May 10, 2013 at 12:14PM
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diane_nj 6b/7a

I start a week after pruning, so yes, it is time for you to start your fungicide treatment now. Water the plants well, and try to apply early in the morning. Good luck.

    Bookmark   May 10, 2013 at 7:47AM
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buford(7 NE GA)

Hi Lynn, what you are describing is suckering, where a sprout from the original plant comes up in the ground away from the original plant. There are two types of suckers, one that belongs to the flowering part of the plant (and would be an exact replica of the main plant) or, if your rose is grafted, it could be the root stock coming up. The Knockouts I've seen are grafted, so I believe these are the root stock coming up.

You can remove these. I don't know if it's possible to move them to another location. What you want to do is dig down where the sucker is coming up from and find the root that the sucker is attached to and try to pull it from the root. If you cut it, it will likely grow back.

Unfortunately some roses continue to sucker and these growths have to be removed periodically. Especially if they are from the root stock, which is not what you want flowering in your yard.

    Bookmark   May 10, 2013 at 6:23AM
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Maude80

I wanted to give an update on my aphid situation. My order of 5,000 ladybugs arrived in the mail today and they all look healthy and alive (and quite lady-like). I waited until it was almost dark out and I sprinkled them on all of my roses. I'm hoping that at least some of them will make a permanent home in my garden and keep those nasty aphids under control:)
Maude

    Bookmark   May 9, 2013 at 8:47PM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

Cool deal on the lady bugs! Hopefully they stay
and munch some Aphids...lol

It rained for two days here and our aphids took off for now...lol

    Bookmark   May 9, 2013 at 9:23PM
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seil zone 6b MI

You certainly can't plant it in that bed! As for the mix I'd would add some potting soil myself. But I'm really not familiar with that kind of mix to know if it would be good or not.

It will probably take it a good 4 or 5 years to reach it's maximum size depending on how much winter kill you get. But you can also prune it to keep it withing bounds as needed. When you dead head between flushes just cut a little deeper to keep it shaped.

    Bookmark   May 9, 2013 at 7:44PM
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Ascheid(6b)

Hopefully in 4 or 5 years, I'll have a place with a nice garden that I can plant it in. I guess until then, it will live in a pot.

Adding potting soil to that particular mix would defeat the purpose of it. Al has an essay on the science behind it posted somewhere on this site, and it seems pretty sound. Since it doesn't seem like anyone has tried it for roses and met with disaster, I'll give it a shot. If worse comes to worst, I'll try again with a more conventional potting mix. I'm very curious to see how it will work out. Now I wish I had ordered two roses, for a side by side comparison.

    Bookmark   May 9, 2013 at 8:41PM
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andreark

I spoke with an arborist that I used before to remove limbs and give my yard more sunshine.....

He said that the tree is a Modesto Ash and although the roots are somewhat invasive, I don't have to be too careful about removing some of the smaller roots. He also said that I may have to give the roses a little more water and food, but if I don't mind doing that, the roses will do fine there. They are not shaded by the tree.

I am very excited about the new babies. They will be:

Francis Meilland
Marilyn Monroe
Midas Touch
Stainless Steel
Sugar Moon
Veteran's Honor and
St. Patrick

Thanks for your responses,

ak

    Bookmark   May 9, 2013 at 6:56PM
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kittymoonbeam

That's the same Ash that I have. Beautiful golden leaves every fall without fail. A majestic tree. It's worth hiring a good arborist to care for it and shape it for beauty. I wish I had the space for a grove of these trees.

    Bookmark   May 9, 2013 at 8:05PM
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diane_nj 6b/7a

In addition, make sure that they are watered well. Transplant "shock" often happens while the rose adjusting to the move. Depending on how much soil was kept around the root ball during the move, the feeder roots may have been damaged, and the plant needs time to grow new ones. It can take a week or more, but as long as the soil is moist, it should come back soon.

    Bookmark   May 9, 2013 at 4:30PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Don't feed them either. They need time to adjust and grow back those feeder roots before they can take up fertilizers. They're just in transplant shock and should bounce back with some time.

    Bookmark   May 9, 2013 at 7:46PM
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jacqueline9CA

Kim's idea is perect - we have deer, and I plant every new rose inside of a "deer cage" made of wire, until the rose gets to be at least 3 feet high - then I take off the cages, because the roses are big enough to survive some grazing. Spraying with deer and/or critter repellent is also a good idea.

Moles are NOT the culprit, and I doubt that your neighbors are either - animals are much more likely. (I had a neighbor once who had a rose bush absolutely covered with buds. The next morning, all of the buds were gone. She was hysterical, thinking that "some horrible person" had meticulously cut off each bud....I convinced her that it was deer, having seen the same thing in my garden.)

Jackie

    Bookmark   May 9, 2013 at 1:46PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

I have actually seen bunnies and/or squirrels eat a healthy, well-grown, mature rose all the way to the ground. It's amazing.

Jeri

    Bookmark   May 9, 2013 at 7:02PM
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wintercat_gw

I went through the registration process TWICE and I keep getting stuck at the "pending email confirmation" stage.

Could that be because I'm not a real human? How come HMF knows I'm a cat trying to pass itself as a real human?

    Bookmark   May 9, 2013 at 6:55AM
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mori1(5b/6a)

I had shocking blue for one growing season. I ended up giving it away just can't stand to look at it. It was a BS magnet and no matter what I did, it just worst. Don't get me started the blooms. Good riddance!

    Bookmark   May 9, 2013 at 4:48PM
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henry_kuska

Regarding herbicide use on home lawns, you may find the following thread of interest:

http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/roses/msg041152454636.html

Here is a link that might be useful: link for above

    Bookmark   May 9, 2013 at 3:28PM
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nummykitchen

Thank you for the link, Henry! That sounds like some awful stuff! I'm glad I did not put it on the yard! I have no pets but do have three young children!

Looks like I will be pulling.

    Bookmark   May 9, 2013 at 4:15PM
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kingcobbtx9b

Yeah I know. I figure it is mostly a #2 just because the thing only had 2 canes, but they are nice looking canes.

    Bookmark   May 9, 2013 at 1:58PM
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harmonyp

Over the past 4 years, especially my first and second, my budget was SO tight. I only bought roses for less than $8, and bought many a grade #2. Honestly looking through my garden now, I can't tell the 1,s from the 1 1/2's from the 2's, and really don't remember or care which was which. I specifically remember two grade 2's I got from Orchard Supply - a Brides Dream, and a mismarked Pink Promise which ended up Pink Peace. They took a long time to mature, but they are both GORGEOUS now.

    Bookmark   May 9, 2013 at 4:13PM
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Tuggy3(9b NorCal)

Wow, what a collection. Pictures coming soon?
Mary

    Bookmark   May 9, 2013 at 2:20AM
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seil zone 6b MI

Groan, Ken, you are too industrious for me, lol! Congrats on getting the bed done!

    Bookmark   May 9, 2013 at 2:00PM
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