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My cousin just posted 2 pictures on FB of her beautiful red tree rose that was right outside her front door. We don't get Santa Ana winds up in northern California, but we got hit with very strong winds that knocked out power in the San Francisco area, and snapped the 'trunk' of her tree rose and its stake. She cut the blooms off and stuck them in a vase to at least get some pleasure out of her sorrow. While her husband was out getting a replacement, and in line to pay for it, the winds picked up again and knocked over two palm trees on him and his new rose. Think he had to go get yet another one, which is living in the garage until our winds are gone! What a mess!!
I had the same winds, but because I'm nestled in the redwoods, I had no damage, just more branches on the roof and driveway.

Well, so far, no luck. Not even with Otto & Sons. The best I can find is a 60" "Weeping China Doll", which is - hold your breath - $250!!! So, we've had one very expensive rose accident, sigh. Will keep looking. Have not heard back from Weeks Roses, which is rather disappointing.
Patty S.

Bacterial blight is not a soil disease. It is mainly in the top growth.
Verticilium wilt is a soil disease that produces dieback of individual canes one or two at a time. In my experience, (some?) roses can fight off this disease in time. A characteristic symptom is yellowing of one side of leaflets, then leaves die from the bottom upwards and the cane shrivels. Tips may wilt with some blackening, similar to bacterial blight.
Botrytis canker or cane blight blackens canes and can travel quickly down the cane, especially when the plant is semi-dormant. This fungus is very widespread, but as a disease of the bark, it comes and goes depending, I guess, on weather.
Since we don't know the cause, we can't tell you whether it will affect a new rose in the same site.

thank you so much everyone. i moved a rose into the dead rose's place, and then i saw that all the rain water on the south side of the house was running into that bed, so i made a ditch around the rose and put up a stone barrier and will keep an eye on it. the black was starting from the top down or just an entire branch would be dead. not sure. but leaves on the other rose bush are yellow and falling off. yellow on top and dying from the top down.


Kim is on the right track. It is severe iron deficiency chlorosis that might be caused by the limey concrete adjoining. Check the soil pH.
Dying canes can also produce this effect. Check for winter damage and canker. (Don Juan is not hardy in my climate unless it gets a run of mild winters.) At present I have a small weak HT that has foliage like that because the only cane is severely cankered.
As Beth says, sometimes certain roses get severe chlorosis in spring because the soil is cold and wet, which inhibits uptake of iron.
You could fertilize with Miracid, which has lots of chelated iron and nitrogen. If the pH is above 6.8, correct with sulfur.


Awww Rex is so cute. Hens are very social (so is our roo)
Chicken wire is great....for keeping chickens in.
My chicken tips:
1/2" hardware cloth anchored every few inches with screws and "washers" (beer caps work well for this)
A wire apron on the outside of the coop/run
And backyardchickens dot com

One way: there's a box at the top of a post that says "Image file to upload (optional). Click on the grey "Browse..." button. It will open up the file system on your...are we talking computer, smartphone, tablet? Say it's your computer. You click around your file system to locate the picture file you want, then double click on the picture when you find it. It will fill the empty box. Then you can post that photo.
Another way: get a free photobucket account, upload your photos to your account, then copy the "HTML" code associate with each photo and paste it into your message post.
Another way: get a free flickr or photobucket or picasa or some other photo site account, and post a link to your photo on that site.
There's a youtube video on posting a photo to a forum, via photobucket, you could have a look at that. Most forums use the IMG code for photos, but gardenweb uses the HTML code, so that bit is different...but it could give you an idea of how easy it is.
Hoping that helps!
Here is a link that might be useful: youtube video on posting pictures to a forum.

As a younger gardener - started at 28 when we bought our house and jumped into roses a couple years later - I find this add trite and also an example of the problem as to why gardening is in decline. Options should not be sold as the 'easy' alternative because that positions everything in that realm as 'hard' or 'high maintenance' and perpetuates a stereotype. Also, my two best friends are avid gardeners and both have two small children each (the oldest being in kindergarten) and they spend every possible moment out in their gardens....with their children.
It is not the younger generation that is at fault for the decline of gardening. I would lay blame on two incredibly disparate variables. First, the housing bubble. So many people were busy buying bigger, newer homes...many without any landscaping included in cost. Many people did not realize the way new construction lawns and gardens required a lot of prep to get the soil back up to workable. Also, bigger homes...bigger yards...more money and more time. People were also more interested in the buying, getting equity, and upgrading--all in a couple years. Doesn't leave a lot of time for investment in gardens. Gardening was part of the collateral damage that was the housing boom. Second, technology is a wonderful tool for gardeners, but a major distraction for those not already invested. It also creates the mentality of a culture of immediacy. Plants take time to grow. Learning about plants takes time. You can't flick a switch or hit a button and make it bloom, but that is what we are programmed to want. - Not only the younger generation either. Don't get me started on Boomers and mobile devices. :)
Also, Boomers are a huge population chunk and they are currently in the process of simplifying, downsizing, moving into condos, etc. as their children are getting older and moving out of the house. Boomers have more buying power and money to spend than us Gen X'ers. Them getting older and opting for no-maintenance would account for a dip in garden spending as well. Just my two cents.

No idea who Anthony Tesselaar is - I thought Flower Carpet roses were bred by Noack and are a really rather good cold weather rose choice. I often feel quite fed up that procumbent roses get such a poor review with words such as 'municiple', maintenance free and so on. They are really good doers- at least the european flower carpets are.
As for the ad - gah - nasty anodyne, dull. But then, I am a long way from ever being a 'southern lady'.

Hi JoshTx: It took me 1 hour to dug up Knock-out grafted on Dr. Huey. His root extended 3 feet to steal water from other flowers. Someone in Colorado commented in HMF that Dr. Huey sprang up from a spot, totally bare for the past 5 years!
Kim is right about Dr. Huey is being immortal. My neighbor poured gasoline into the roots, then covered up with a garbage can. Roundup didn't work for her.
I should had done what she did, except throw in a match.

Josh,
I ordered Ambridge Rose and Charlotte from Chamblees around 3 years ago. There were 5 rooted cuttings of AR in a single gallon pot and 2 rooted cuttings of Charlotte in the other. We have found that many plant propagators in Texas put more than a single rooted cuttings into their pots.
We removed the rootball from the pot and soaked them in a 5 gallon bucket of water and swished them around a bit. We were able to separate the individual plants and put each of the (5 AR and 2 C) into their own one-gallon pots. We let them remain in their pots for around 2 months then transplanted them into the garden.
Plants of both varieties have done very well in our garden. The AR grew into bushy plants around 3 feet high and 2 feet across. If you prune only lightly in spring, you can coax the the plant to grow up to 5 feet high in my area. The flowers are very fragrant and are around 3.5 inches across. The color seems to vary from pink to apricot depending on temperature.
The plants of Charlotte are larger, perhaps 4 feet x 4 feet, but again, if you prune the plant only lightly, you can get it to grow taller. The flowers are pale yellow and fade to nearly white in the strong summer sun.
I have only minor disease problems with these 2 roses if we have a rainy late spring.


I planted Sunny knockout in a garden for my parents. It is fragrant and it is as healthy looking as the other knockouts for 2 years. I say go for the Sunny for our zone it is a good choice.
This post was edited by marquest on Sat, May 4, 13 at 17:52

Well I ended up finding the Easy Elegance roses. I bought three High Voltage rose bushes. I ran all over town looking for a place that carried them. Out of all the garden centers in the area, only 1 carried the Sunny Knockout. The one garden center I found the Easy Elegance told me they weren't happy with their (Sunny Knockout) performance. The Easy Elegance were expensive....I paid $27 each, but I hope they will be well worth it. They wanted $32 for the Sunny Knockouts at the other garden center! No way am I going to pay even more for a rose that doesn't seem to perform as well! I will try to post pictures later this year when they start blooming.

Thanks again everyone. The older I get the more I realize how humbling life can be sometimes. I am thankful for my garden.
I am looking at it from the window today. It is grey, cool and drizzly. From my window I see iris, allium, nepeta, and the first blooms on a bunch of first year roses which I cannot identify without the tag!
I also see an empty birdfeeder, some dianthus in bloom and a bunch of hardy geranium ready to pop.
Verbena boniarensis, sea holly, daisies..chamomile.
It's really pretty. The colors pop more in the drizzle.
Susan

Harmonyp that is so true. I remember the first year standing out in a windstorm trying to rebar and tie windbreaks around my roses and fretting about this and that. Nine years down the road I just run out and trim off the highest canes or wait until the next day and remove the broken ones. Roses are tough.
Susan I am sorry about your dad. I hope your garden gives you comfort and a place to renew. Mary



Andrea, what a LOVELY collection you have! Not sure if you already have an Oklahoma but when I bought mine last year, I was really surprised at the difference in color (versus what the tag was and what I had seen online). It is a dark red. Like almost black. If I had to compare it to something, I'd say it was similar to the darkest red wine..
Due to last year's intense heat, I didn't get too many blooms from Oklahoma so the color that I experienced could have very well been unusual for the rose. I like the idea of swapping out Oklahoma for the reds, pinks and stripes. After looking at the All American Magic, I can't imagine that Oklahoma will compliment it due to it's intensely rich color.
Hope that that was helpful.
I grow both Peace and George Burns, and Peace is going to be very significantly larger than George Burns, so be sure to take that into account when planting them together. George Burns is actually something of a hesitant grower for me, and Peace, well, is not.