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A better question might be--why are the treatment options so limited? When I made my career choice 30 years ago I went into engineering rather than science--the job opportunities for talented scientists were dismal back them. They aren't any better today for budding scientists.
Even worse, folks with Asperger's, bright autistic kids that are our best hope at finding cures to rare diseases, aren't getting the opportunities to discover and excel in their gifts--like athletes. Instead, they now get opportunities to be "normal." Special classes and training at an early age to fit in with others. Might it make more sense to have a more accepting society of folks that are different--so they can use their gifts to benefit society? Or is that just not possible?
Like it or not, diseases evolve to evade our cures. Making it harder for companies to further research into new cures is counterproductive.
One possible answer to the question as to why are the treatment options so limited is that Nature only uses a limited number of biological pathways. Thus, something that affects a pathway in a fungus that affects plants will probably also affect a pathway of a fungus that affects humans. The same goes for other living things. The link below is a recent example of a chemical affecting pathways other than the intended pathway.
"Neonicotinoids and related pesticides may be suppressing the immune system of bees, bats and even amphibians, making them much more susceptible to parasites, viruses and fungal infections, according to an international team of researchers who recently published their findings in the Journal of Environmental Immunology and Toxicology.
Insects feeding on the pollen and nectar of crops treated with the pesticides absorb the chemicals and the poison is subsequently passed on to animals higher up the food chain that prey on those bugs, the scientists hypothesize, citing evidence of deviation from normal pathogen-host relationships."
Here is a link that might be useful: insecticide affecting immune systems higher up the food chain
Wow, Tessiess...
It's funny you say that because I am a rank amateur and I haven't killed anything I've gotten from Heirloom... Even spiteful Leonidas is hanging on. All the others but him have absolutely flourished. That should be proof enough that what you say is true...if I haven't killed them, they're quality plants.
I got two bands from RVR, a Francis Dubrueil and a Souvenir du Dr Jamain...they are so spindly I feel like it will be years before I enjoy them, if I can keep them alive.
Mine don't look diseased and they're about 3 times the height of my tallest Heirloom when I got it, but they're so...I don't know.
I sure hope they turn out ok...
The only time I can recall any business not offering their normal guarantee during a sale is, well never (although I am sure some businesses do this). I have heard of places selling items as/is when they go out of business but not in a regular sale. To me it just doesnt seem right to remove your guarantee during a "normal" sale. I am passing on this sale.
Saturate the rose with insecticide as a deterrent from April to October.
Why not cut the rose to about a foot tall, and saturate it there, so that the insecticide does not interfere with the good atmosphere you try to create without spray.
Oh, well. I do appreciate the article since the disease has affected so many of my roses.
Sammy
Try this combination: use Milorganic on the ground and tie cloths with Vicks on a few branches. I learned this from this forum. So far, this has keep my plants that are not fenced in safe from deer. You probably know: Milorganic is a fertilizer made from human sewage. You can get it from Home Depot. You can go fairly heavy on the Milorganic as it won't burn plants. I also have TONS of lavender, chive and mint. I think that my garden must smell nauseating to "my" deer...
I would be a lot madder than you, juleecat, if the deer had defoliated my roses that way. But keep an eye on your tomatoes. The deer love those and won't keep away from them. Good luck with your stomachs on stilts. Diane
How small do you want it to be? Anything under about 4 x 4 is going to be a lost cause.
Pruning it down hard after the heat breaks is definitely an option. Plan on doing a similar pruning next spring. It doesn't bloom on old wood, but rather on what could be called fruiting spurs off the old wood. So even if it is cut back very hard, it will bloom. With a lot of once-blooming OGRs, this is what could be called exhibition pruning, since it produces fewer flowers, but those are larger, with much better stems. After flowering, it will try to grow ginormous again, and needs another fairly drastic pruning.
Thank you so much for the help. I will try pruning it back some. I don't want to keep it to as little as 4 x 4, but I wouldn't mind 5 x 5 or 6 x 6, instead of the estimated 8 x 8 it is now. I think a lot of the beauty is in that fountain shape it makes, but I'd be OK with a smaller fountain, and I'm thrilled that I won't lose the bloom next year by giving it a haircut this year. Thanks again. You people are great.
Wow, what a morning,
Talked to my neighbor, I see their big house wall from my front window and we agreed it's OK for planting rose climbers. This is a northern exposure so I immediately thought of Sally Holmes, two of them probably.
While calling the nursery they mentioned having Renae, so I'm going down to take a look at her, perhaps to replace Cecile Brunner. These roses are on 5' stakes and 5 gal. cans, ready to go.
I hear Renae can grow in shade, wondering if I should mix her in with Sally Holmes on north wall?
She's a little tall from what I know for my back wall originally posted which does get some sun, but what the heck.
I was ready to pull the trigger on the band of Clair Matin, but maybe Renae is meant to be....
Anybody grow Renae?
Thanks, Hollie
Went to the nursery, bought 2 big Sally Holmes.
I saw Renae but didn't think much of her because her bloom size was small and didn't have any form. Perhaps I caught this rose at the wrong time but she didn't look great.
They had large Eden, a dark pink Brite Eyes and that's about it for pink roses.
I'm back on Social Climber again because I feel her medium pink blooms will look better as cut flowers with my décor than pale pink. There are HTs growing all around the back wall where I intend to pull out Cecile, and I've cut some med. pink flowers for the house, they look great.
So I sure hope Social Climber works for me....
Hollie
I planted some grafted heirloom tomatoes this year...Brandywine & Mortgage Lifter. Most of my roses are grafted, but I had never really thought about grafted vegetables before. So many of the heirloom tomatoes are weak plants, but grafted on better root stock mine have done exceptionally well. What a difference the grafting has made. Those tomato plants are huge and by far out producing my other "own root" tomato plants.
IF it is a freshly planted or new-this-year rose, shading it with something (umbrella, shade cloth on some sticks) will reduce stress and likely prevent that drooping. Next year when its root system is more established, it will be better able to handle summer heat.
It sounds like heat and water stress. Give it some shade any way you can and keep watering it well in these hot dry days. Even some of my older more established roses have wilted a bit on very hot afternoons and I haven't been nearly as hot as you and our humidity is very high. That humidity doesn't seem to help them at all and I still have to water frequently.
Is that dark red foliage new shoots coming? A lot of roses have reddish new growth that greens up as it matures fully.
I also found that first year, it seemed to do a lot of nothing and the flowers were weak in the stem, though fragrant for me. The second and third years have been wonderful, and I'm glad I nurtured her along. Black spot is a problem, so keep her airy and be vigilant; I also feel like she benefits from working crushed eggshells into the soil.
Here is a link that might be useful: Striped Rose Diaries
I've planted Scentimental twice. The first one was much like many described, with blooms shattering very quickly. I had it for three summers and it was never all that great. I lost it to an accident and replaced it in same location (Glutton for punishment? I really wanted a striped rose in that spot!).
The new plant seemed a weakling for the first year and also the blooms shattered quickly. This second year it's a redeemed itself proudly. More blooms, all around nicer color and striping, and best of all they last a good long time. Right now it has a couple fine clusters holding up well to humid, 90+ heat. The bush is somewhat small but healthy and well formed.
Funny thing is I never found either one to be all the fragrant.
First off, what a neat idea! I would have loved to have something like that when I was little. My mom would sometimes let me pick out plants and I would watch them grow up. I LOVED it, and it's so educational!
I only have two lullo minis and they are Home Depot specials. One is classic lullo, almost like Julia Child, and one is a very unique lullo with blood-orange edges. I sure wish I knew the name of it because it's very unique and has really grown on me. I will get a pic tomorrow because it has a bloom.
I have an Amber Sunblaze and it's a little beast. Mine is a first-year plant but it's already a bloom factory and is "caution" orange. I mean BRIGHT. If it gets a lot of sun the blooms will turn a little pink on the edges as they age. So far, it doesn't seem to be thorny.
I also have a "Cinnamon Girl" which has a really neat, sturdy little bloom on it. I got it on sale from J&P, by the time it got to me it was on death's door...and it's come back with a vengeance in a pot. Really plucky little thing. Not lullo, though.
As minis go, and maybe roses overall, my heart belongs to "Tennessee." It just glows on my deck and it even has a lovely tea fragrance. It's not thorny, either. It gets a touch of PM here but nearly every rose I have is coming down with it, due to our 50 degree, foggy nights. It gets ZERO black spot, even when its neighbors want to. I can't get enough of it.
This post was edited by racin_rose on Sat, Jul 20, 13 at 3:04
I like Nahema. It has beautiful fragrant blooms. I just water and fertilize, trim a little in spring. Upright growth. I recommended Ramblin' Red to my boss. Very vigorous and hardy but not fragrant. I bought Nahema from Roses Unlimited
Here is a link that might be useful: 
Rene,
Dr. Jim Amrine collected several hundred fertile hips from multiflora which had RRD on part of the bush; none of the seedlings showed symptoms of RRD.
A more massive study was done on corn, which has a similar virus; About ten thousand (IIRC) seeds were grown out an one had a problem and one maybe had a problem. But with that large a population, the maintenance of total isolation was not proveable.
The problem with negatives is they can't be proved.
Most roses that have the virus don't set hips on virused canes because very, very often the sexual parts of the rose are distorted or lacking.
Ann,
Thank you very much! I shall press on. Those you posted about are reacting very similarly to genetic disorders, generally. Whereas many are unable to reproduce and continue the disorder. I now wonder why sometimes it is called a virus and others, a disease. I believe I will research a bit to reduce my own ignorance. Thank you for sharing your information with me.
Henry, the link does not work. It takes me to a record company.
I checked with my wife's computer and it worked on hers also.
Maybe you can take part of the quote, put it in quotes and enter it in Google to reach it.