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henry_kuska

The following was asked: "Henry, do you know of research indicating mechanical transmission (pruners)?"

H.Kuska comment: One place said if there were mites on the pruners. Otherwise no. The thesis that you and I looked at appeared to me to be saying that any transmission without the mite is very difficult.

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 5:03PM
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barbarag_happy

Ah Henry! Sooo glad you are keeping your sense of humor in the face of all the depressing reading about RRD. Thanks so much for yr posts.

    Bookmark   May 2, 2013 at 1:27PM
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lou_texas(8a N Central TX)

Josh, compared to my other roses, Sharifa Asma leaves always look limp and puny so I think part of that is just her nature. Good luck with whatever else is going on. Lou

    Bookmark   May 2, 2013 at 11:22AM
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melissa_thefarm(NItaly)

Lou, I don't think that is her nature. I have a mature plant, not coddled, and she looks healthy and sturdy. It did take her eight years to get that way and she's only about 4' high and wide, no giant, but not a weakling either, just compact.

    Bookmark   May 2, 2013 at 11:34AM
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peachymomo(Ca 8)

I'm always baffled by the advertisements that say you can't have time for both a garden and children, most of my fondest childhood memories took place in a garden tended by my Mom, an Aunt, or a friend's Mom. I don't know if it was because they were all able to get their gardens in and settled before having kids or what, but I know that I grew up surrounded by beauty and it was a wonderful thing.

    Bookmark   May 2, 2013 at 10:27AM
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growing_rene2

Why all of the discouragement?

That article was a bummer. If we follow the writer's advice, then we wouldn't have roses, so what difference does it make if we buy some that die. I would rather try to make a beautiful space than give up because of someone's persuasive piece, who forgot to mention the percentage of the effected.

As to the carpet advertisement, gardening is something I do With my children & they love it too (whenever they aren't climbing trees). Are they also implying that parents generally don't do things with their children? Choosing between one or the other is ridiculously not an option as it is an event for the family, at least until they are teenagers!

I hope my children will have memories when they are adults as you, Peachy. I was never raised around a garden and I clearly remember picking the neighbors' flowers! ....oops :)

    Bookmark   May 2, 2013 at 10:49AM
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petaloid(SoCal 10a/24)

This is a place where we talk about growing rose plants in our gardens, not about where to order bouquets online for delivery in India. Sorry.

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 11:46AM
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Himali

Hey sachi there are so many website which provides you red flower bouquet . i suggest some good web sites http://www.sendflowersandmore.com/USA/Flowers/Sending-Red-Flowers , http://www.flowers24x7.com/ , http://www.rosefarm.com/

    Bookmark   May 2, 2013 at 8:36AM
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harmonyp

All my handmade trellises are covered with vines. One thing about trellises, you often don't see them after your plants on them have matured!

I went to Lowes and HD, and then a handful of nurseries, and got ideas for shapes and materials. Decided I'd go for the wood ones. Bought some cheap 1"x1"xN" material, plus got scrap wood and materials from around the property, a saw and some nails and vwalah. Very fast, very cheap, worked great. Simple theme - wider on top than on bottom, some in squared shapes, some in fan shapes.

    Bookmark   January 23, 2013 at 2:03PM
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tank0412

Good news.

    Bookmark   May 2, 2013 at 7:39AM
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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

for a giggle, check out the number of bids on the blue rose seeds....

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 10:57PM
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TNY78(7a-East TN)

It's funny Kippy, last night I went in an looked at the feedback on some of the sellers selling the blue/rainbow/black rose seeds (all postive of course) and everyone was just praising them for the quick shipping and saying they couldn't wait for their seeds to grow into beautiful roses LOL! The negative feedback was mostly about the seeds getting hungup in customs and not sending directions about germination. People really need to research before they buy things like this!

Tammy

    Bookmark   May 2, 2013 at 7:08AM
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florida-belle(SWFL - Zone 10)

Thank you sherryocala & ken-n.ga.mts!!

    Bookmark   January 24, 2013 at 6:41PM
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tank0412

Good news.

    Bookmark   May 2, 2013 at 6:29AM
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henry_kuska

No it was not a quote. I would call it an attention getter. Michaelg, isn't the English language your specialty (after trout fishing, of course)? If so please help me out here. What is it called formally?

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 11:55PM
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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

Bait and Switch

    Bookmark   May 2, 2013 at 12:39AM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

"Bend and Snap."

It's actually what my grandmother always did, and taught me to do.
Then, ARS taught me that was wrong.

Only, then, I found out it really was RIGHT for the roses I grow. So, I'm back to doing what my Nanny taught me to do.

I should have known my Nanny was right. She always was.

Jeri

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 8:58PM
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Tuggy3(9b NorCal)

I always went the five leaf route because that's what I was told. Sometimes it just didn't feel right and rebloom was so slow on some. This is great information. Mary

    Bookmark   May 2, 2013 at 12:09AM
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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

Mom has similar feelings about PJII. She loved the rose til she saw the name.

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 10:38PM
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roseseek

I honestly liked Mrs. Graham better after seeing her interviewed. After discussing their life and the stresses of his schedule, the interviewer asked if she could ever see herself divorced. She responded, "divorced, no." Then with a hysterical, whimsical look on her face, she continued..."now widowed..." A very honest woman! LOL! Kim

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 11:01PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Thanks everyone for you sympathies. I know you all understand how it feels.

I only got a couple repotted today. It was really beautiful out but I was so tired from yesterday that I didn't have the energy to do more, lol! Tomorrow is another day...

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 6:52PM
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ken-n.ga.mts(7a/7b)

Hay Sharon---I remember "Chinese Fire Drills" at the red lights. Especially at night in Ft Lauderdale and Hollywood. Am I showing my age??

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 10:19PM
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catspa_NoCA_Z9_Sunset14

For some reason I can't fathom, my Just Joey is pretty big. I got him as a Grade 1 1/2 grafted bodybag plant (on sale!) at a local hardware store about 9 years ago and planted him in an area that was fairly sandy/gravelly after removal of a funky old hot-tub.

I just took the photo below. The bush is roughly 7' tall and 7' wide and most of the blooms are now sadly hanging and spent, with a final frying from the mid-90s temps we had day-before-yesterday.

As michaelg says, he's probably a California guy; loves the sand-and-hot-tub scene.

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 3:21PM
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molie(z6 CT)

Thanks to all of you for your frank advice. I had no idea JJ was so "delicate" in so many areas of the country. Perhaps a cheaper, banded rose would be my best financial bet.

It's just awful how I fall in love with certain roses! Well, maybe not awful in a bad way ---- just awful because I sense, from all of your comments, that my heart's going to be broken yet again. And I guess it doesn't matter if my next JJ is own-root or not. But I'm thinking that this time I'll try her in a wind-protected but still sunny spot. Catspa, maybe when I plant my next JJ, I'll throw some sand and rocks into the hole!

:)

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 8:26PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Definitely not Souv. de la Malmaison--which is a very light pink (practically bleaching to white in the hot sun) and very full bloom.

Whatever it is, it sure is lovely!

Kate

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 11:49AM
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deervssteve(9)

Back to the drawing board. My wife looked up madame isaac pereire. It is suppose to be rose madder in color and the rose is not. She is a painter and really knows her colors.

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 4:55PM
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henry_kuska

Michaelg, my weed and feed question was a follow up to your 40 years of Round-Up use statement. I cannot remember when a significant number of gardeners started using Round-Up nor when a significant number of homeowners started using Weed and Feed type products. I was hopeing that since you knew about Round-Up use you also knew about Weed and Feed use (time wise).

It seems that most people have at most a few cases a year.
Why did you lose so many roses? Have you ever posted an in detail explanation of what you observed, when, and what steps you took, when? I know that you stated that you used Round-Up once on the roses. Did you use Round-up on anything else? Did you observe or ask the neighbors, whether they were using Round-Up? Did you use a magnifying glass and observe the mites? Also, how did you rule things such as a herbicide contaminated mulch batch. The last may sound far fetched but I have posted news articles about it happening and I did have bad mulch happen to me one season (I had posted it here when it happened. I immediately removed the mulch and watered heavily.)

Back to your statement: "So I think it is wise to assume that fat, thorny overgrowth is RRD."

H.Kuska comment. I still would like to see pictures of what you mean. Earlier I posed that Round-Up could result in "Particulary, please notice they include: "Strange looking, thickened growth, often dark red or purple in color"."

It would appear that "thorny" is the only property that could not be caused by Round-Up in your model.

On my web page I state the following: "I am hesitant to include the "excessive growth of thorns" rule as it may only apply to exclude damage from certain types of herbicides and not others with different modes of action. Also. often healthy young growth can have closely spaced needle like thorns which are not present in older canes. The opposite (no thorns, no RRD) is also NOT a dependable diagnostic that the cause is not RRV. Ann Peck (see E-book link at the bottom of this article) points out: "Hyper thorniness is not a dependable indication of RRD, it does alert rosarians to be vigilant. It appears on some HTs, but sick OGRs and roses related to 'R. multiflora' may have thorns no denser than ususal. Further confusing diagnoses, many classes of old garden roses are extremely thorny and no one could look at a sick rugosa, damask, or spinossissima and declare it�s hyper thorniness to be aberrant. Likewise basal breaks on some healthy HTs appear thornier closer to the bud union, but become less thorny with increasing healthy growth. This year, I have also seen a characteristic of some roses from cold hardy breeding programs to have denser thorns near the base; these roses have a built in rodent deterrent that I had not noticed until a question from New Brunswick about the possibility of RRD in that part of Canada.""

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 1:09PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Henry,

I suppose one reason I lost (am still losing) so many roses is that my small garden was overplanted with mature roses, such that each was touching others, if not entangled. I lost four adjacent plants which included the original case, then it skipped one and got the next two. Also there are many wild multiflora in my neighborhood and even on my own very steep wooded lot (which I can hardly get around on nowadays). I did find some infected multifloras at the bottom of my lot and got rid of them. I was lucky to go so long without finding RRD in my garden. It made me a bit complacent about dealing with the first case.

I found a probable RRD shoot high on a cane of Tess, fairly late in the season, and removed the cane. I think it was early in the following season that I found a bad shoot on another cane and removed it. **I was not careful to bag the remains in either case.** Later I found a cane that was growing horizontally in the back of the plant and had produced a half-dozen nasty, fat, thorny lateral shoots, the green leaves having red veins. I removed the plant. By this time the plant had been infected for maybe 10 months. I then began finding symptoms on other plants, first in the immediate vicinity and then in other beds, usually in clusters of two or three adjacent plants.

Most (nearly all) of the plants for which I merely removed the underlying cane have relapsed and had to be removed. I have one apparent cure where I cut the whole plant down to grade. This spring, I have tried splitting the crown of a couple of roses and removing the cane-associated roots. It is too soon to tell whether that will work.

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 4:39PM
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MoonlightIn bloom.
Posted by deervssteve(9) April 30, 2013
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susan4952(5)

I also have this BIG VIGOROUS shrub in my yard. it is a monster at two years.

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 10:11AM
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jardineratx(zone 8, Texas)

Beautiful! My moonlight has no pink in it at all--just white with the yellow stamens.
Molly

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 2:32PM
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