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I ordered from several sites because I'm new to this and wanted to see the difference. I was surprised when my Edmunds all came with Weeks tags on them. All are doing well but the rose I believe arrived in the best shape came from Blooming Bulb. I was shocked but it was huge and looks like it has been in the ground longer than ones planted weeks before it was.

With out pictures it's nearly impossible to diagnose anything. But, yes, if the leaves were eaten off by something they should grow back. If, however, the cane is damaged or diseased it may die off completely.
If you planted them last fall and then had to prune them back hard this spring they may just be growing new roots and canes and will take longer to bloom so be patient. How old are your neighbor's roses? If they were already established plants that's why they may be blooming and yours aren't.
You can feed them any balanced fertilizer. Usually in the spring I use a slow release dry one that I put on the ground around the drip line of the rose and scratch it into the soil well. After that you can use a liquid fertilizer about once a month. You can add organics to them at any time. Compost, manure, alfalfa and fish emulsion are all organics that are good for the soil and the roses.

I was looking for a rose to be full and reach 6 - 7' and very fragrant, disease resistant, continuous blooms, etc. I heard some things about Teasing Georgia that it drops blooms after 24 hours. I will check out the others TheMordenMan. Thanks. And I am going today to see if Home Depot has the Easy Elegance in yet. I live in very rural PA so no nurseries close by but HD might have them. I think it would be nice if the rose powers that be just developed perfect roses in every color. Then we would just have to deal with our individual climates and soils to test us. Don't you think? : )

Continuous bloom is a bit of a misnomer when it comes to roses. They typically bloom in flushes and some repeat faster than others and the maturity of the rose usually plays a part as well.
Based on your height requirements and other wish list, I'd really take a look at getting Roberta Bondar. It is not intensely fragrant, but does have a good fragrance to it. The blooms are a very large clear yellow that hold well in the heat. Disease resistance is above average as well and it will stay in the 6-8' range you are looking for.
The best of the lot is probably Golden Gate, but it wants to be bigger than 6-7' tall and will require some regular pruning once it is mature to keep it that size. Normally a 8 to 12" climber.


I confess that whenever I go to the Sherman, I want to re work some area of my garden that is bugging me. Everything is well designed and picture perfect from every angle. It's the kind of place wedding planners dream of. Because they are 3 blocks from the ocean, the fuschias and ferns grow to magnificent size. There is a lath house full of prize begonias. I could never attain that level of order in my garden. I have the feeling that whatever isn't perfect doesn't get to stay long there. One time they had enormous casablanca lilies in huge regal pots at the entrance to the shade house that made me stop and sit on the bench just to marvel at them. They have a number of formal beds and this year they went for a cottage informality instead of a formal arrangement of annuals in the sun garden. What I like is the feeling of change as you walk from one area to the next. Each area has it's own special charm. The wonder of the Sherman is that any time you visit, there is always something stunning on display and the whole background is carefully tended and green. Even the restrooms had the most beautiful orchids in them.

I got my Pink Peace last spring when it was very cold out. It had one tiny, itty bitty rootlet - like a hair in thickness.
Did fantastic!! Smells heavenly and the flowers are gorgeous. Definitely in my top 3 roses.
Looks like you got a lot of roses for a FANTASTIC price. Good for you!!
Carol

I've had great experience with Greenhouse Megastore. Orders placed for pots are received in about 5 business days for me here in NJ.
:-)
~Christopher
Here is a link that might be useful: Greenhouse Megastore Nursery Containers

You guys are awesome. I just placed an order with Morton's to try first. The Greenhouse Megastore will be next. My rose order is now up to 15. My new rose beds are not finished due to the crappy cold wet weather and so in pots they go until they have good root balls and the raised beds are completed.


You'll get different opinions, but I personally would hold off on any granular fertilizer for several months. Potted roses will usually have some slow-release fertilizer in the potting medium (little green/white balls that look like Osmocote) & many potting soils also have some slow-release stuff in them. It's REAL easy to burn up a plant with granular, especially a young plant trying to get established.
You've got a great location, sounds like you're planting it in good soil (dig a big hole, like twice the size of the pot it's in now), water it in well, & keep watering regularly. Finally, mulch it well. I bet you'll have good results. I hope it performs well for you & is the start of a big love for roses.

Whether you fertilize now or wait, watch, as Seil says, that you do NOT put the manure and fertilizer against the shank (trunk) of the plant. Organic materials, such as manure, if too wet, can encourage problems. Keeping it out under the drip zone, where the water would drip off the plant from rain and where many of the feeder roots will be, is much safer.
Make sure when you fertilize, you don't have the granules touching the shank of the plant. 17-17-17 is a rather high guaranteed analysis, particularly for the nitrogen, and it can burn quickly and badly. Those granules are pretty much pure salts and if a bunch of it lands against the shank of the plant, it can draw out a LOT of water and replace it with concentrated salt, which can burn, dry out and actually kill the plant. Keeping the fertilizer granules evenly spread out on the soil, again around the drip zone and between the plants will prevent the potential burn issue from touching the actual plant. It may seem like a common knowledge issue, but I've seen far too many fried plants from a handful of concentrated fertilizer thrown against the shank or trunk of the plant and left there. Good luck, you're going to have FUN! Kim


Thank you, Henry, for answering my questions, providing background, and pointing out info I missed -- I really appreciate it!
A reason for the wariness I harbor about the review paper being discussed is exemplified in the passage you copy from it in your last post. Samsel and Seneff say "Glyphosate has been shown to have remarkable adverse effects on the gut biota in poultry [36], by reducing the number of beneficial bacteria and increasing the number of pathogenic bacteria in the gut." Yes, pathogenic bacteria were shown to be resistant to glyphosphate and beneficial antagonist bacteria shown to be significantly harmed by glyphosphate. However, this was not a study of what actually happened in bird guts: the experiment was done in vitro and the bacteria tested individually. Nevertheless, the review authors, by using the phrase "in the gut" at the end of their sentence, imply that this was an observed effect under realistic, interactive conditions in the guts of live birds in that study. No such thing happened.
Same thing with the clostridium study. The review authors say, "Evidence of disruption of gut bacteria by glyphosate is available for both cattle and poultry. It has recently been proposed that glyphosate may be a significant factor in the observed increased risk to Clostridium botulinum infection in cattle in Germany over the past ten to fifteen years [35]." That's a fair paraphrase, I think ( this study was also in vitro/in isolation). But then the authors plow ahead and say, "Glyphosate's demonstrated toxicity to Enterococcus spp. leads to an imbalance in the gut favoring overgrowth of the toxic Clostridium species." Who demonstrated that this actually happens in the gut? Not the study they just cited.
There are a number of other instances of these "jumping the gun" kind of statements throughout the paper.
Am I being unreasonable on this point? Overly picky? To me, assuming in vitro results are the same as in vivo looks like overextension, as if I were to observe a pine tree planted in a pot and then claim I understand forest dynamics.
Are in vivo studies actually within the current realm of possibility for these issues, e.g. glyphosphate effect on intestinal bacterial populations, I wonder?
Debbie

I presented the abstracts. To check on the accuracy of the statements in the review I feel that they should be compared against the full paper as without the full paper there is the danger that a given quote is misinterpreted because it is not placed in the context of the whole.
Yes, it is possible that in any review that the condensation of the full paper into a paragraph leads to misleading statements. Fortunately giving the actual reference allows the other scientists to determine the actual findings presented in that reference.
Back to putting quoted statements in the full context of the paper.
The introduction Section is valuable to the reader so that one has an idea of what the review intends to accomplish. In this case I feel that it is too long to reproduce here.
The Conclusion Section of the review is very valuable for sumarizing the full context.
The review's Conclusion section is given below:
"14. Conclusion
This paper presents an exhaustive review of the toxic effects of the herbicide, glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup®, in humans, and demonstrates how glyphosate’s adverse effects on the gut microbiota, in conjunction with its established ability to inhibit the activity of cytochrome P450
enzymes, and its likely impairment of sulfate transport, can remarkably explain a great number of the diseases and conditions that are prevalent in the modern industrialized world. Its effects are insidious, because the long-term effects are often not immediately apparent. The pathologies to which glyphosate could plausibly contribute, through its known biosemiotic effects, include inflammatory bowel disease, obesity, depression, ADHD, autism, Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, ALS, multiple sclerosis,
cancer, cachexia, infertility, and developmental malformations. Glyphosate works synergistically with
other factors, such as insufficient sun exposure, dietary deficiencies in critical nutrients such as sulfur and zinc, and synergistic exposure to other xenobiotics whose detoxification is impaired by glyphosate. Given the known toxic effects of glyphosate reviewed here and the plausibility that they are negatively impacting health worldwide, it is imperative for more independent research to take place to validate the ideas presented here, and to take immediate action, if they are verified, to drastically curtail the use of glyphosate in agriculture. Glyphosate is likely to be pervasive in our food supply, and, contrary to
being essentially nontoxic, it may in fact be the most biologically disruptive chemical in our environment."
Please notice that "remarkably explain" is not the same as "prove". (See the earlier discussion of the purpose of a Review.)
"likely impairment"
"glyphosate could plausibly contribute"
"it is imperative for more independent research to take place to validate the ideas presented here,"
I will repeat the last one (I would like to put it in caps, but that is not considered polite):
"it is imperative for more independent research to take place to validate the ideas presented here,"


HTs like Memorial Day need annual pruning to keep them from getting too tall and breaking over. Stake it to get through the bloom cycle and then cut it back to 2-3 feet. Next year you can do that in early March or whenever your roses start into growth.
If a young rose like CD is floppy, you can stake it up for a year or two until the canes get stouter and they can support themselves. Judicious spring pruning could also help with that. CD grown with minimal pruning can tend to go horizontal, which is OK if you have room and like it that way, but it can also be pruned to stand up. Just follow traditional shrub pruning instructions.
Quietness will probably make a couple of new basals this year.

Agreed with Michael. Memorial Day gets quiet tall for me as well. I always stake it to help support it during blooms. Don't be afraid to prune it back deep after it blooms. It will grow back.
I don't have Country Dancer but I have several other Buck roses. Country Music, Rural Rhythm and Winter Sunset are all floppy Bucks for me. I think it's just the nature of some of his shrub roses. The only two Bucks I have that don't flop are Iobelle, which is an HT not a shrub, and Quietness.
Quietness is huge for me now but it's also about 6 years old. In the beginning it was rather spindly and small and took it's time building up and maturing. Be patient, it's worth the wait!




Yep, you're right, Lou, Randy has always been right on for roses in our area, and he was a big influence on me when I first started growing the old roses.
In other words, Randy we have missed you!!