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I have 12 free roses this year from RVR. All but 2 of them have significantly different foliage. Of those that have bloomed, one looks identical to the posted photo. I also identified it as Sophisticate. Mine had a mild, sweet scent. Weather was high 80's. Five petals and mostly 7 leaflet leaves. I also have one identified as Fellemberg and another as Angels Mateau. Two are different Gallicas. One looks identical to RVR's "Carol's Favorite Gallica", the other was similar to Gertrude Jekyll blooms when fully opened but with a darker reverse and dark purple guard petals.

Thanks so much for chiming in with your IDs from RVR, roseybluemoon! I've looked up the roses you mention from your mystery batch and it'll save me on additional questions if it turns out to be any of those you mention. I can't say that I've ever gotten a Noisette or Tea mystery rose from RVR, so it's possible that they send those likely candidates off to warmer zones than mine. I'd be pleased if any of these roses turn out to be Angels Mateau, though I've had poor track records with overwintering Dot roses.

Good to know there are a variety of mystery roses possible each year - that adds to the fun of the process!

Cynthia

Thanks Seil. I think I will place iobelle off to the side a bit so any foliage issues won't be right in my face. Good to know.

I agree with Kate that Eutin is a very hardy good reblooming rose for zone 5 and colder. Mine is in my zone 4 pocket, and it definitely wants to be wider than it is tall. Mine's about 4 years old and I'd call it waist high with a spreading habit not quite an arm's distance, which makes Kate's measurements pretty representative of mine too (didn't remember you were a Cornhusker Kate!)

I also bought my Iobelle from Roses Unlimited, and I have to agree with Seil that it's one of the least hardy Bucks I've grown. It died a pretty rapid death after its first winter, and I do winter protect. You might consider a warmer zone pocket in your yard or keep it in a pot and take it into an unheated protected space for the winter. Prairie Harvest is a more traditional Buck and should survive fine in zone 5 in the ground. I get the various "Prairie" Bucks mixed up a bit, but I'd say it's probably 4 feet tall and not too wide, perhaps 2.5 feet.

Sweet Intoxication is one that has failed to overwinter for me once already, but that might have been from a weak plant (it sounds like you're having the same problem). In general, I find that if hybrid teas like that survive they're not as tall or wide as indicated on HMF usually, at least in my zone 5. That's the one on your list that's most liable to stay relatively narrow, if you're trying to place it in an existing spot - my guess would be 4 feet tall by 2.5 feet wide again, but it's only a guess since it's a pretty weak plant for me.

Have fun and let us know how they do!

Cynthia

Kim's right about the barrels. 20+ years ago, we planted probably 8-10 roses in barrels, in various locations. It seemed like such a good idea at the time.

For the first few years, everything was fine. The first things to go were the metal bands. We replaced those. But the barrels began to disintegrated by maybe Year Four, and by Year 6, they were history.

As far as I can see, the only practical way to use those wooden barrels is to put a plastic "liner" pot inside the barrel, and use it for something like petunias. NEVER again for a rose!

Jeri

I have a Red Eden in a cedar half-barrel...which is a little more resilient to the moisture (though I don't know how many years that will last)...and it's doing wonderfully. Granted, I keep it as a large shrub and may train it on an obelisk eventually, but the canes are too stiff to really peg or bend. Otherwise, I love Red Eden. It's not what I would call a "prolific" bloomer, but the blooms are so romantic and gorgeous and last FOREVER. It does repeat, it's just not a workhorse like some of my other HTs or Austins.

In that other thread, the one by jujujojo with the rooftop garden, there are a couple climbers in containers.

I think you could do it.

However, there are many species of powdery mildew that are specialized for different groups of plants. Rose PM only affects roses.

I want to emphasize Kim's point--sunlight! Get those plants out in the sun. Powdery mildew is usually associated with too much shade or possibly long periods of overcast, cloudy skies. Sunlight is the solution.

Kate

In our situation, the blooms are a blush pink with no noticeable fading to white.. The bush is not in full sun - maybe that accounts for it. The ARS classifies it as "light pink", which I would also consider accurate.

When I first became interested in roses, Kathleen was one that "tasteful" plant connoisseurs would chose if they had to grow only one rose.

In zone 5, if virused, you will probably have more severe virus effects than those rosarians in warmer/hotter zones.

I'm not too anxious to get the giant blooms and won't disbud much, I find the scent intoxicating and am also willing to keep her around for the cut flowers rather than good appearance in the garden, as long as I can isolate her from the rest of the lot.
The way our lot is, the southern side is the part of the yard which we use the least, a 20ft wide strip of land really.
Nobody goes back there but I'm guessing the beds are ideal for roses, my peonies grow like gangbusters over there in any case.

Last year I lost roses to drought. Knockouts at that. This year I am losing leaves to lack of sun...and we had another inch today already. I am not complaining really. But areas that have been dry for as long as I can remember are swampland again and the egrets and herons are back in numbers I have never seen them in. My grandmas wetlands are so swampy we cant get to the pond. Lol its scary really. Rain predicted all week at a 40-70% chance.

Ken, same here. I was going to put in a irrigation system for my roses this winter, but never did it. We haven't even had to use the hoses this year. But it's a bit much. My veggie garden is looking a big sad.

This year so far I've seen more cercospora than blackspot, probably because it has been cooler than usual. I currently have leaves dying from infections that probably started in May. In your own garden, try flipping over a few spotty leaves and see if the spots go all the way through.

My roses are very clean this year, with few exceptions like Fragrant Cloud, in spite of the almost constant rain every few days. I removed almost every cane at soil level this spring, thus supporting the idea of spores overwintering on the canes causing the blackspot. I do not pick up leaves, nor spray. By autumn, I expect many will start showing some infection.

Steve

Lol, that's a hoot! I had Pristine for years but it never looked that tasty!

So, Andrea, are you going to repost the right pictures?

I don't seem to be getting anything right lately!

Now I lost the photos I just tool this morning. They are in my computer somewhere. Guess I'll take them again tomorrow.

Thanks for the chuckles. And Kim, maybe I should try making Devil's Puffs.

andrea

Right, thanks. I found the nasty little critters, but I barely saw them, so tiny. They are apparently all over. I don't have the time and the stomach to squish them, is there another way to get rid of them? What are the "good" predators, where are they coming from? Can I buy some? While the leaf on the attached picture is almost devoured, many new leaves are being attacked right now.

I've seen sparrows eat rose slugs here once in a great while... Wasps eat em when there very tiny. But
after they get bigger nothing eats them here that I can see..

Good predators can not keep up here...

I've used Garden Insect Spray (Spinosad) with good results..
Safer Insectide Soap has been so so this year...

Spinosad can kill bees, etc. and can burn leaves on hot days (contains oil)... Follow directions....

Here is a link that might be useful: Spinosad

I haven't seen anything, but I have a Mac, and it's really rare to get a virus. Thank heaven for that!

Melinda

I haven't seen anything here.

Jeri

Ugh. After repotting 3 of them, I have decided it is a combination of my errors. I did not use cat litter, I used espoma soil perfect ( no longer made but I found it on amazon ) and brand name Turface. I also used Neptunes Harvest potting soil. It is all muck now. Clogged drainage holes. The clay particles were totally clogging the holes. And the heavy potting soil didn't help. I did not create a drainage layer of anything. In pots, I think gravity and water pulled the clay particles down, where they just sat there waiting to kill my roses. See what happens when I post lots of BRAGGING pictures?

My potted things (some roses, lilies, lemon tree, etc.) are mostly in the largest black nursery pots I could find. Those things have huge drainage holes - some on the side only, some on the bottom only, some a combination. Those large holes do allow soil to leak out. It occurred to me one time when I had run out of pot bits with which to block the holes from leaking soil out so easily, years ago (5 +, if I recall correctly) that used up dryer sheets (non woven fabric softener sheets) would make an excellent soil blocker over the holes while allowing water to drain out easily. And I use dryer sheets in my laundry, so I have instant access to dozens of the things... The only time I've had trouble with the sheets is when I've been lazy about repotting and happy, enthusiastic rooters have grown through the sheets. Those times I generally cut the sheets off, but usually, they're still sitting there just a little tangled, but easy to remove during the 'replace the dirt' process.

The one time this hasn't worked well has been with my lemon tree, when something small went IN the drainage holes, tore up the dryer sheets and left bits of them all over the cement slab. Now every time I water the trees, some soil comes out with the water. I don't know if something is living inside the pot, but the lemon tree isn't doing terribly well - but it isn't the fault of the dryer sheets...

Yes, it will survive. I am no-spray and right now many of my roses are near-naked twiggies, but they all come back. I have put down milky spore for the JBs ad that has helped tremendously. So did last year's drought. This year, I'm starting to worry about root rot, the ground is so saturated.

Thank you Seil and Catsrose. You have alleviated a lot of my worries. I have been picking the JB's but they just come back more the next day.