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windeaux

At the beginning of the 2006 growing season, I switched from Banner Maxx to Honor Guard PPZ, both of which have the same formulation. In my experience, there is no difference between the two, except for a substantial difference in price. Even tho I spray only sporadically, I find that Honor Guard works very well for me. I still have almost 2/3 of my original bottle of concentrate left, so I don't know what has happened to the price during the intervening years.

I'm not familiar with Lesco Spectator. If the active ingredient is the same as that found in Banner Maxx, the effectiveness should be the essentially same.

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 9:55PM
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wirosarian_z4b_WI

Just googled Lesco Spectator & it has the same active ingredient as Banner Maxx so should work the same as windeaux says. I use a Fertilome fungicide that is a more dilute version of Banner Maxx & it does fine, just follow the directions. Also remember to mix in another type of fungicide, such as Mancozeb, from time to time to prevent resistance.

    Bookmark   April 27, 2013 at 12:57AM
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windeaux

Tammy -- Thanks for posting your photos and for the honest assessment of your previous order. The plants you've just received look good, and I'm glad you're pleased with them. I hope, though, that you notified Rose Petals Nursery of your dissatisfaction with the plants you received last year.

I've received one acceptable order from Rose Petals, but my second was very similar to your first order from them. I had an even worse experience with a large order I placed with another Florida-based supplier of OGRs (again, a repeat order). I'm baffled by vendors who ship plants (even to repeat customers) that one knows the vendors themselves would be horrified to receive, realizing they had squandered precious resources on woefully substandard plants -- PLUS the costs to have those plants shipped.

Let's hope that all of the few vendors remaining adopt and adhere to practices that will promote their continued existence.

This post was edited by windeaux on Fri, Apr 26, 13 at 21:58

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 8:33PM
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TNY78(7a-East TN)

Hi Windeaux, I did contact Rose Petals about my order last year, and requested either a replacement or refund for 6 of 8 roses (I think that was the number), and the nursery promptly appologized and issued a full refund for all of the plants...even the two I found acceptable.

I completely agree with you that consistancy is a must! Nobody wants to buy from a seller that sends beautiful plants one time, and the next barely viable plants. Like I said in regard to RPN, I've had one good, one bad experience, but the bad experience was corrected quickly, so that's why I decided to try them again. One thing they do is list the number of plants of any one variety that they have in stock. I tried to pick varieties that had a large number in stock, in hopes that they would chose one of the better looking ones to mail, and give the others more time to grow out.

That being said, I received two large orders this year from a vendor with an excellent reputation, and received barely rooted twigs for about 5 of my plants (literally about 2-3 inches tall and no branching) that promptly died a couple of days later. You just never know I guess, but there are certain nurseries that I have never received a bad plant from (High Country, Chamblees, ARE and Roses Unlimited pop to mind). I'm happy to accept a plant that is small, but is rooted well enough that I can put it in my greenhouse and baby it for awhile. We just have to trust the sellers to do the right thing, and correct it if there is an error or dissatisfaction. Of over 600 roses in my collection, virtually all of them were purchased online, and I've only complained twice, so you know it had to be bad!

Tammy

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 11:22PM
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windeaux

I added DP this year after seeing it (and smelling it) last year in a public garden. I ordered it from Witherspoon Rose Culture. Their prices are a bit steeper than most, but the bare root plant I received from them was superior -- one of the best I've seen in recent years. The same is true for the other two I ordered from Witherspoon -- Pope JP II and Cary Grant.

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 8:52PM
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DisplacedClevelander(6a)

As others have said, Dolly isn't a non-stop bloomer but LORDY! When she comes out, she takes the stage! This bush is appropriately named.

Nice fragrance too. Her blooms took the heat impressively during last summer's non-stop inferno. I'd definitely recommend her.

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 3:15PM
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9

That first picture is stunning. I love the "girlie" clippers! Mine of course are fire-engine red.

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 2:37PM
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ms. violet grey

Can you believe the pots and purple pruners are from
the 99 Cent store chain. I just bought them yesterday.
They also had terracotta pots, gloves, Drumstick bulbs.

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 2:43PM
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mountainrose(z7 Georgia)

Thank you!

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 10:24AM
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susan4952(5)

mine is stiff, large and thorny.

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 12:30PM
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merlcat(7a)

Whoops, sorry! I didn't even see the other one on the right. I'm totally conditioned to look for carpet beetles and zoomed in to the striped one on the left!

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 12:11PM
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susan4952(5)

my scientific entomologic opinion? ICK

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 12:26PM
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anntn6b(z6b TN)

Andrew,
Last fall we found a huge and ugly witches broom way out on a cane of my very large bush of R. x fortuniana. We cut it off fast and as low as we could.

So far, I don't see aberrant growth coming up from the roots. It may be something to do with the vigor of the bush itself.

Will this extend to roses grafted onto Fortuniana? I don't know, but it's worth a try if you can see the expression of the disease when it's limited to one or two nodes out on a cane.

Ann

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 12:19AM
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lookin4you2xist(9b)

Fortuniana is susceptible to it. It might increase your chances of the plant surviving because it is pretty hardy. I live in Tampa Bay so besides a few odds and ends, I graft everything on Fortunina.
I hope the plant does recover Ann! Best of luck with it.
Regards,
Andrew

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 10:04AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

If the NEW leaves are pale with ONLY the main veins dark green, it is iron deficiency.

These symptoms often occur early in the season and then clear up, because, for some reason, roses have trouble taking up iron from cold, wet soils. So there is no urgent need to do anything.

I wouldn't bother to buy an iron product. There is almost always plenty of iron in the soil. The problem is likely caused by a combination of pH above 6.8 and cold, wet soil. However, fertilizing with a soluble such as Miracle Gro for Roses or Miracid will supply available iron.

To reduce the recurrence of symptoms, check the pH and apply sulfur to get a pH of 6.0-6.5. It takes about a year to react fully on the soil..

    Bookmark   April 24, 2013 at 1:10PM
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demeron(Zone 6)

Thank you, very helpful. It has been a cold though gorgeous spring here in Central PA.

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 9:42AM
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harmonyp

Mine doesn't have discernable fragrance, but it is named perfectly. It is highly eye catching from afar, and has a very "rich" and unique color that I love.

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 9:16PM
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the_morden_man((Z4-Z5) Ontario, Canada)

Thanks everyone for your feedback. This is truly a post revived from the dead.

As an update, I did decide to plant (6) SIR's in the spot I noted in my earlier post. They are underplanted by Lavender. For the most part, I have been happy with the planting and the rose performance, but the blooms do struggle somewhat in the relfected heat. In cooler temps, they are certainly eye-catching. Disease resistance has been better than expected as well, but there is little to no fragrance. Overall, I'd rate it as good to above average as a rose.

I did lose one of the SIR's this year to an errant foot by a contractor last fall and the cold of this past winter. I have planted a very similiar variety called South Africa in its place to compare it directly under the same conditions to my SIR's. If South Africa tolerates the heat better and outperforms SIR, then I'll likely make a change.

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 6:42AM
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deervssteve(9)

Thanks, catspa and kittymoonbeam. Probably nailed it.
The name sounds familiar, I bought roses from Pickering then and they have it and that was the area that I planted hybrid musks.

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 8:00PM
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Campanula UK Z8

There is always a LOT of deep red new growth on Moonlight - it never greens up totally.

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 6:38AM
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collinw(7b)

I don't think that is Duchess de Brabant. The leaves are wrong, IMO. Though the bloom looks similar.

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 12:59AM
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collinw(7b)

Duchess de Brabant's leaves are a lighter green and slightly wavy and more elongated.

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 1:04AM
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windeaux

Your description of White QE equates to my experience with this sport. I can affix the same description to at least a couple of other "white" sports of pink roses -- 'Augustine Guinoisseau' ('White La France') and 'White Gene Boerner'. (The jury is still out on 'Weisse Gruss an Aachen'.) The color tends to fade to white under the blinding mid-summer sunshine in my zone, but they all open pink, and usually remain a pale pink in the spring and fall.

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 9:47PM
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roseseek

It looks like the one which has grown at my sister's house for twenty years. When Santa Clarita heats up, the pink disappears and it's white (as is "Yellow Queen Elizabeth"). The pink you're seeing is normal for cooler, damper weather. Cook the devil out of it with lots of reflected, radiated and direct heat/sun and it will bleach out to pure white, just like the yellow sport does. Kim

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 10:13PM
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PghDave(6B)

We are expecting a light frost tonight in Pittsburgh. Any reason to protect a double KO that is in a large pot? It has a lot of buds just ready to bloom.

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 9:13PM
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barbarag_happy

KnockOut's a shrub rose, so I'd mostly let it grow and not worry about shape too much. You can always even it up later in the season.
All that new growth will cover itself with bloom so why cut it off now?!

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 9:15PM
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sadie_pnw

subk3 I found some info for you but it's on the antique side. Two threads both dated 2007 - maybe will give you some help - certainly entertaining to read. Gean

This post was edited by harborrose on Wed, Apr 24, 13 at 23:05

    Bookmark   April 24, 2013 at 10:43PM
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twinkletoad(7B)

I think Elle would look very pretty, and maybe Quietness, Bolero and Clementina Carbonieri. I love the shades of pinks, apricots, purples/lavenders and whites/creams mixed together. Here's an idea- I work better with pictures.

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 7:15PM
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