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mountainrose(z7 Georgia)

Thank you!

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 10:24AM
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susan4952(5)

mine is stiff, large and thorny.

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 12:30PM
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merlcat(7a)

Whoops, sorry! I didn't even see the other one on the right. I'm totally conditioned to look for carpet beetles and zoomed in to the striped one on the left!

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 12:11PM
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susan4952(5)

my scientific entomologic opinion? ICK

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 12:26PM
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anntn6b(z6b TN)

Andrew,
Last fall we found a huge and ugly witches broom way out on a cane of my very large bush of R. x fortuniana. We cut it off fast and as low as we could.

So far, I don't see aberrant growth coming up from the roots. It may be something to do with the vigor of the bush itself.

Will this extend to roses grafted onto Fortuniana? I don't know, but it's worth a try if you can see the expression of the disease when it's limited to one or two nodes out on a cane.

Ann

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 12:19AM
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lookin4you2xist(9b)

Fortuniana is susceptible to it. It might increase your chances of the plant surviving because it is pretty hardy. I live in Tampa Bay so besides a few odds and ends, I graft everything on Fortunina.
I hope the plant does recover Ann! Best of luck with it.
Regards,
Andrew

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 10:04AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

If the NEW leaves are pale with ONLY the main veins dark green, it is iron deficiency.

These symptoms often occur early in the season and then clear up, because, for some reason, roses have trouble taking up iron from cold, wet soils. So there is no urgent need to do anything.

I wouldn't bother to buy an iron product. There is almost always plenty of iron in the soil. The problem is likely caused by a combination of pH above 6.8 and cold, wet soil. However, fertilizing with a soluble such as Miracle Gro for Roses or Miracid will supply available iron.

To reduce the recurrence of symptoms, check the pH and apply sulfur to get a pH of 6.0-6.5. It takes about a year to react fully on the soil..

    Bookmark   April 24, 2013 at 1:10PM
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demeron(Zone 6)

Thank you, very helpful. It has been a cold though gorgeous spring here in Central PA.

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 9:42AM
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harmonyp

Mine doesn't have discernable fragrance, but it is named perfectly. It is highly eye catching from afar, and has a very "rich" and unique color that I love.

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 9:16PM
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the_morden_man((Z4-Z5) Ontario, Canada)

Thanks everyone for your feedback. This is truly a post revived from the dead.

As an update, I did decide to plant (6) SIR's in the spot I noted in my earlier post. They are underplanted by Lavender. For the most part, I have been happy with the planting and the rose performance, but the blooms do struggle somewhat in the relfected heat. In cooler temps, they are certainly eye-catching. Disease resistance has been better than expected as well, but there is little to no fragrance. Overall, I'd rate it as good to above average as a rose.

I did lose one of the SIR's this year to an errant foot by a contractor last fall and the cold of this past winter. I have planted a very similiar variety called South Africa in its place to compare it directly under the same conditions to my SIR's. If South Africa tolerates the heat better and outperforms SIR, then I'll likely make a change.

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 6:42AM
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deervssteve(9)

Thanks, catspa and kittymoonbeam. Probably nailed it.
The name sounds familiar, I bought roses from Pickering then and they have it and that was the area that I planted hybrid musks.

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 8:00PM
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Campanula UK Z8

There is always a LOT of deep red new growth on Moonlight - it never greens up totally.

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 6:38AM
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collinw(7b)

I don't think that is Duchess de Brabant. The leaves are wrong, IMO. Though the bloom looks similar.

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 12:59AM
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collinw(7b)

Duchess de Brabant's leaves are a lighter green and slightly wavy and more elongated.

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 1:04AM
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windeaux

Your description of White QE equates to my experience with this sport. I can affix the same description to at least a couple of other "white" sports of pink roses -- 'Augustine Guinoisseau' ('White La France') and 'White Gene Boerner'. (The jury is still out on 'Weisse Gruss an Aachen'.) The color tends to fade to white under the blinding mid-summer sunshine in my zone, but they all open pink, and usually remain a pale pink in the spring and fall.

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 9:47PM
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roseseek

It looks like the one which has grown at my sister's house for twenty years. When Santa Clarita heats up, the pink disappears and it's white (as is "Yellow Queen Elizabeth"). The pink you're seeing is normal for cooler, damper weather. Cook the devil out of it with lots of reflected, radiated and direct heat/sun and it will bleach out to pure white, just like the yellow sport does. Kim

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 10:13PM
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PghDave(6B)

We are expecting a light frost tonight in Pittsburgh. Any reason to protect a double KO that is in a large pot? It has a lot of buds just ready to bloom.

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 9:13PM
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barbarag_happy

KnockOut's a shrub rose, so I'd mostly let it grow and not worry about shape too much. You can always even it up later in the season.
All that new growth will cover itself with bloom so why cut it off now?!

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 9:15PM
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sadie_pnw

subk3 I found some info for you but it's on the antique side. Two threads both dated 2007 - maybe will give you some help - certainly entertaining to read. Gean

This post was edited by harborrose on Wed, Apr 24, 13 at 23:05

    Bookmark   April 24, 2013 at 10:43PM
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twinkletoad(7B)

I think Elle would look very pretty, and maybe Quietness, Bolero and Clementina Carbonieri. I love the shades of pinks, apricots, purples/lavenders and whites/creams mixed together. Here's an idea- I work better with pictures.

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 7:15PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Many different roses have flowers like that. It would help if you post pictures showing the architecture of canes for the whole plant. Sharp closeups of thorns, buds, leaves etc. might help someone determine the type of rose. Other pertinent info would be how big are the flowers and the plant, whether it blooms in clusters, and where you live.

Barring any ID of the rose or its class, you can search on pruning shrub roses and follow the typical advice. Pruning is best done in early spring before the rose leafs out.

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 4:23PM
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Tuggy3(9b NorCal)

I have Marilyn Monroe, Crimson Bouquet, Midas Touch, and Veteran's Honor. I've had St. Patrick. All winners. They all take the heat. My Francis Meilland is still too young to judge. I think you will be happy with these.

Mary

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 2:41AM
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andreark

Thanks a lot... I'm 'rarin' to go.

ak

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 1:09PM
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andreark

Now those are truly wonderful reviews.

Thanks so much for answering. I'm ordering it today.

AK

    Bookmark   April 24, 2013 at 1:39PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Don't want to be a wet blanket, but I gave away my Crimson Bouquet because every time it finished blooming, it would have a bad attack of BS.

Kate

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 12:20PM
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Pink garden rose seen in Lijiang, Yunnan, China
Posted by jujujojo_gw(6b 7a) April 20, 2013
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jerijen(Zone 10)

Did I say I was assuming the roses in question were indigenous? I said that roses with a similar look have been found in that area, and brought to the west.

I suggest reading Phillips & Rix, and catching up on some of that research.

There are many, many things about roses that we won't know until DNA testing becomes more available.

Jeri

    Bookmark   April 24, 2013 at 10:48PM
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jujujojo_gw(6b 7a)

jerijen Sunset Z24
Thank you so much for your explanation. I love roses too.

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 11:10AM
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Krista_5NY

Occasionally I see this on my roses as well, not sure what this is. If I see this on a newly planted rose, I might loosen it with a hand fork or spray with water to loosen it a bit.

I don't think this webbing will do serious damage to the rose plant itself.

I wouldn't recommend using any miticides or insecticides, better to let Nature and predators take care of it.

    Bookmark   June 1, 2012 at 10:59AM
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the_morden_man((Z4-Z5) Ontario, Canada)

This is caused by a type of sawfly larvae. They are little worm like caterpillars that eat into the forming buds and surrounding leaves and create little webbed nests attaching the bud and leaves together. When they start getting older, you will see more evident black spots that almost look like coffee grounds on the leaves and in the webbing. This is their feces. If you pull the webbing apart and expose the bud, you will see the small larvae which are usually green in colour and can be quite small at first. There are sometimes 2 or 3 in the little webbed area.

Some roses seem particularly susceptible to this type of Sawfly and others are rarely touched. William Baffin is one rose here that they absolutely adore and routinely attack in large numbers. No need to spray or dust as it will have limited effectiveness. Just pick them out of the cocoon and step on them, or use your finger and thumb and gently squish them around the bud and leaves.

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 9:11AM
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