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I have to agree on the assessment of Buck's exquisite 'Quietness'. No disease here, hardy to the tips, vigorous as an own-root, constantly blooming, elegant bush habit with good foliage, lovely flower shape, pleasant fragrance and a calming, gorgeous silvery pink color that shows well in the garden and yet blends well with everything. It is also undemanding and doesn't seem to need massive amounts of water or fertilizer to be happy.
Is it the perfect modern rose? For me, yes. It is truly greater than the sum of its parts!
The follwing was stated by jokewing: "jJust wondering why henry kuska ONLY makes posts having to do with diseases and death? Has anyone else noticed this? Why is he even worried about roses if the thinks they are so disease ridden? "
H.Kuska comment:
Jockewing, perhaps your own post is a good explanation as to why I feel knowledge about what is known/unknown about rose diseases is important.
"Posted by jockewing 9a (My Page) on Thu, Jul 4, 13 at 16:18
Yes Thornton, I hope you are right. With the amazing science we have today, I'm surprised more roses with such qualities have not been released. It just baffles me that the most beautiful flower we are able to grow is plagued with so many problems. Why must that be? There are so many beautiful plants that are such a breeze, but in my opinion nothing is so special as a classic hybrid tea rose. Why must they be plagued with so many diseases and pests? I admire the Knockouts, but I just don't think they are beautiful except perhaps in mass plantings from a distance, say at a commercial building or along the highway. We want giant flowered hybrid teas with the same vigor!!!
It really makes me sad that virtually NO ONE I know in my area grows any classic hybrid teas at all, with may the exception of a few here or there, usually in an older neighborhood."
http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/roses/msg0715030426702.html
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Additional H.Kuska comment: If you are interested in my other contributions to rose growing why not do a Google search with the search terms:
"Henry Kuska" and roses
or you could get a partial view at the following thread:
http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/roses/msg0411322117173.html
Here is a link that might be useful: link to earlier thread
This post was edited by henry_kuska on Sun, Oct 20, 13 at 16:33
Jockewing, Henry is a scientist.
If you were going to have surgery, would you make such a comment about a surgeon? Would it bother you if he/she were totally absorbed in his specialty that he did not seem to have a life?
Many of us are professionals, and we are driven and care much about our professional lives.
Why do you care so much about Henry that you would make such a comment? Before looking at the post you were able to see the title of it.
Sammy
Was just at Chamblees last Tuesday and got Blue for You, Love Song, Lavender Veranda, Plum Perfect and Twilight Zone. I love lavender, so it will be fun to see how all these do. The Pacific Blue that I was lucky enough to get from Vintage is just opening a big fat bud and I cant wait to see what this one look like. Does anyone grow these other lavenders?
Judith
I love love love this rose. I purchased it at a plant sale a huge grower has in Georgia twice a yr. Mine does get blackspot and I do spray but get lazy. It's gorgeous and blooms well all summer. Does great in bouquets also. Can't remember the fragrance! Mine right now is about 5 ft tall but usually stays around 4 ft and about 2 1/2 to 3 ft wide. I say get that baby while you can. Judy
Do a web search for the pest called Chili Thrips. They are a world wide problem with many, many host plants and are especially bad on roses. They destroy foliage and without the foliage, roses suffer badly.
Two of the bits of new growth on your well established rose look good, but the one at center shows damaged leaves. That the buds are coming so low implies that the rose is stressed (that we see so few leaves is another clue.)
The state of Florida in the US has several good websites about these thrips and may help.
Roses just sometimes pop out different looking blooms, different shades, different forms, etc., it happens. Any kind of change in it's environment during bud set, and that was weeks before it opened, can trigger a change in the ultimate results. If the weather was a little wonky the week it set that bud or if you sprayed something at that time it could have affected it. Mark the cane and watch how it blooms in the future before taking any actions. It's probably just a one time occurrence.
This is so sad and loving and beautiful. We were lucky to find a baby squirrel and raised her until she was old enough to go out on her own. Two years later she came back and brought her children. She left and they stayed. This year she came back again. We also raised a tiny baby wild mouse and she stayed with us for over three years.
When our beloved cat died we buried him with a spray of blooming Souvenir d'un Ami roses against his chest between his paws.
Your tribute is so heart-warming and I'm getting teary. Thank you for caring so much.
Ingrid
A Knock Out isn't a rose I'd give "infant slack" time too! They are bred to be high performing right out of the box and if they aren't I can't imagine it would be any reason other than it doesn't like the spot it's planted in or it is a "lemon" specimen. Both reason would have mine gone and/or moved pretty quickly. (Says the woman who yanked one out last week!)
I totally get being patient with a something not bred to be so vigerous, but KO's are not a "1st year sleep, 2nd year creep, 3rd year leap" kind of variety!
Re shade: back when the Chihuly exhibit was at the Atlanta Botanical Garden, some of us got together to see the roses and his glass. In back of my favourite pond with some very subtle glass colors, Jody and I saw a rose blooming not in the rose garden. So, of course, we had to go see.
The rose was taller than either of us (not that hard for most roses) and wasn't heavily leaved out, but it was blooming self supported in dappled sunlight. J sought out the label at the bottom and it was Knock Out. It didn't look like all the other KOs we had seen, but was adapting well to good soil, dappled sunlight and benign neglect.
Hmm. Glad to hear that it hasn't reverted to something else. These are new basals, and I didn't want to have to cut them off. It's been getting plenty of water from a drip hose until about a week ago when it started freezing. So it's not too hot, although I may have let it dry out recently.
Henry,
Do a scientific search for the papers by Kaminska et al. who have written very, very much about the phytoplasmas in Europe and be sure to see the paper about rose disease in a greenhouse in Poland . Of the Kaminska papers I was able to download, all found phytoplasmas and none reported finding any viruses.
There are also two papers about some sick roses in a bed in China that the authors tied to Pawlonia phytoplasma in a tree adjacent to the infected rose garden.
Ann
Ann I am familar with the rose phytoplasmas litererature including the Chinese (and including the 2010 U.S. paper which I posted in this forum).
http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/roses/msg0421561629709.html
I started the present thread for information purposes. Someone is still claiming that rose rosette virus is not a virus but a phytoplasma.
Here is a link that might be useful: link to earlier thread that reported that RRD was a phytoplasma.
We have both Katydids and Grasshoppers. Some years worse then others. For me Grasshoppers are far worse then Katydids, but then our Grasshoppers can get very big and have an enormous appetite. Mostly what I see Katydids doing is sitting on a rose. Mostly what I see Grasshoppers doing is eating a rose. I leave Katydids alone just because they don't do much damage that I can tell.....Maryl
Gee I thought Katydids was just another name for grasshoppers...
I have no doubt this Katydid ate some of the rose bloom.
But I see no other damage anywhere else.
So far they have not been much of a problem here either.
Hope it stays that way...lol
This post was edited by jim1961 on Thu, Oct 17, 13 at 22:11
I never encountered mildew until we moved to Pasadena and then I discovered that it is the biggest problem here. I thought it would go away after June but it didn't and some roses that were particularly susceptible were literally shriveling up they had it so bad. So I decided to spray with potassium bicarbonate and it does work. It wont help destroyed growth but new growth will be protected. As far as I can tell it is organic and hasn't hurt any bees or other insects. The product is GreenCure fungicide and it is available widely but it is expensive.
Some roses are like that -- at some times of the year, they get a touch of mildew. No biggie.
Some roses have NO resistance, and mildew at the drop of a hat. And the problem is far worse in some areas than in others.
Actually, if you are (like Henry) in an area with fairly high mildew pressure, you have two basic choices . . .
1. Spray regularly.
2. Keep roses that don't mildew.
Our option is 2.
Why mess with roses that frustrate you? Prune 'em with a shovel, and discover a rose that doesn't have that problem.
Jeri
wow ..Thank you friends .Its a nice information
For me Firefighter and Velvet Fragrance are doing better than Mr. Lincoln. Papa M is wonderful but has mildew problems. I have a dry warm summer which is so much different than a rainy warm summer.
I can suggest
Tiffany
Memorial Day
Pink Peace
Eternal Flame
Radox Bouquet
Jardins Bagatelle
Yves Piaget
Firefighter
Pope John Paul II
Perfume Delight
These are the ones that bloom well here and have beautiful perfume. There are others that have more flowers but no perfume and those that have beautiful perfume but less flowers. The roses on my list all have strong perfume and bloom even through summer when the old flowers are kept picked off. I don't know how they would like heat and humidity but if you have humid air, I'm sure your roses smell very good.
This post was edited by kittymoonbeam on Mon, Oct 21, 13 at 16:44