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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Many different roses have flowers like that. It would help if you post pictures showing the architecture of canes for the whole plant. Sharp closeups of thorns, buds, leaves etc. might help someone determine the type of rose. Other pertinent info would be how big are the flowers and the plant, whether it blooms in clusters, and where you live.

Barring any ID of the rose or its class, you can search on pruning shrub roses and follow the typical advice. Pruning is best done in early spring before the rose leafs out.

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 4:23PM
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Tuggy3(9b NorCal)

I have Marilyn Monroe, Crimson Bouquet, Midas Touch, and Veteran's Honor. I've had St. Patrick. All winners. They all take the heat. My Francis Meilland is still too young to judge. I think you will be happy with these.

Mary

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 2:41AM
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andreark

Thanks a lot... I'm 'rarin' to go.

ak

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 1:09PM
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andreark

Now those are truly wonderful reviews.

Thanks so much for answering. I'm ordering it today.

AK

    Bookmark   April 24, 2013 at 1:39PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Don't want to be a wet blanket, but I gave away my Crimson Bouquet because every time it finished blooming, it would have a bad attack of BS.

Kate

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 12:20PM
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Pink garden rose seen in Lijiang, Yunnan, China
Posted by jujujojo_gw(6b 7a) April 20, 2013
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jerijen(Zone 10)

Did I say I was assuming the roses in question were indigenous? I said that roses with a similar look have been found in that area, and brought to the west.

I suggest reading Phillips & Rix, and catching up on some of that research.

There are many, many things about roses that we won't know until DNA testing becomes more available.

Jeri

    Bookmark   April 24, 2013 at 10:48PM
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jujujojo_gw(6b 7a)

jerijen Sunset Z24
Thank you so much for your explanation. I love roses too.

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 11:10AM
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Krista_5NY

Occasionally I see this on my roses as well, not sure what this is. If I see this on a newly planted rose, I might loosen it with a hand fork or spray with water to loosen it a bit.

I don't think this webbing will do serious damage to the rose plant itself.

I wouldn't recommend using any miticides or insecticides, better to let Nature and predators take care of it.

    Bookmark   June 1, 2012 at 10:59AM
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the_morden_man((Z4-Z5) Ontario, Canada)

This is caused by a type of sawfly larvae. They are little worm like caterpillars that eat into the forming buds and surrounding leaves and create little webbed nests attaching the bud and leaves together. When they start getting older, you will see more evident black spots that almost look like coffee grounds on the leaves and in the webbing. This is their feces. If you pull the webbing apart and expose the bud, you will see the small larvae which are usually green in colour and can be quite small at first. There are sometimes 2 or 3 in the little webbed area.

Some roses seem particularly susceptible to this type of Sawfly and others are rarely touched. William Baffin is one rose here that they absolutely adore and routinely attack in large numbers. No need to spray or dust as it will have limited effectiveness. Just pick them out of the cocoon and step on them, or use your finger and thumb and gently squish them around the bud and leaves.

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 9:11AM
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Susanne27(5a Ontario Canada)

Thank you so much for the suggestions. I had thought about having just roses or just perennials but for some reason never thought of having roses and annuals. That sounds like a great idea for lots of colour without expecting to much from a rose all season. Also, the annuals can be changed out the following year for variety. Now I just have to decide on the roses. I'm going to look into polyantha and miniatures as well.

    Bookmark   April 24, 2013 at 8:15PM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Not sure of hardiness, but 'Gruss an Aachen' or 'Pink Gruss an Aachen' are wonderful very free-flowering little floribunda-like roses that should fit nicely into that space.

    Bookmark   April 25, 2013 at 1:12AM
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ken-n.ga.mts(7a/7b)

Check out the Nashville Rose Society's web site. I think they can help you on HT's. In my area, some of the best HT's are; Louise Estes, Crystalline, Gemini, Let Freedom Ring, Elina, Moonstone, Peace, Chicago Pease, Dark Night (needs afternoon shade). This is just a small sample of good HT's.

    Bookmark   April 24, 2013 at 11:20PM
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sadie_pnw

Great advice above, but also go over to the Antique Roses side and read the thread from 2007 that's there now on no spray roses; there's a long conversation by rosarians in the kentucky/tenn area. Gean

    Bookmark   April 24, 2013 at 11:44PM
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roseseek

Each flower on each bush varies quite a bit from each other. That's part of the serendipity of striping. Each flower is different from all others, even though they fit basically the same description. Kim

    Bookmark   April 24, 2013 at 10:47PM
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AquaEyes 7a New Jersey

If a rose is notorious for sporting frequently, and if those sports are notorious for reverting, does it make sense that the change is due to a genetic mutation? Of course not. The DNA is the same, but the level of expression changes.

Otherwise, what the claim is really stating is that a random mutation occurred, changing the DNA sequence such that now its flowers are different, and then randomly mutated back to the original DNA sequence, but everything else remained exactly the same. The odds of that happening are astronomical -- clearly not the accurate explanation of something occurring frequently. What's more likely is that as cells differentiated to form new top growth, the 3-D structure of the DNA (but not its sequence of nucleotides), which had to change anyway during cellular differentiation, didn't EXACTLY match the same 3-D structure in one branch as another, resulting in some genes being expressed at slightly different levels from cane to cane. Since the 3-D structure of DNA in the cells repeatedly changes as the cells differentiate (from stem to bud, or stem to root), there's much more possibility of this kind of variation going back and forth than that the actual DNA sequence changes and changes back again. If the DNA was that unstable sequentially, the plant likely couldn't survive.

:-)

~Christopher

This post was edited by AquaEyes on Wed, Apr 24, 13 at 23:15

    Bookmark   April 24, 2013 at 11:07PM
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coachr(5b)

Deer love roses. How they can eat those stems is a wonder. Stopping them is difficult but not impossible.
Fencing is the best single alternative. Using some sort of fencing or barrier along with other strategies may increase your chances.
Along with fencing or by themselves, Deer Repellent Packs provide a fear barrier to keep deer away from your precious roses and other plants. You can find them online at www.DeerRepellentPacks.com

Here is a link that might be useful: Keep Deer Away from your Flowers

    Bookmark   April 23, 2013 at 6:21PM
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edweather(Zone 5a/b Central NY)

Like I said, as far as I'm concerned in the winter they can eat them to the ground.......in the spring I practically prune them that far anyway.

    Bookmark   April 24, 2013 at 9:54PM
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patty_cakes

Socks, but you need to have something *underneath* the mulch.

I had my complete backyard dug up last summer, and the landscaper used the fabric with mulch on top, which is what *I* asked for. My dog runs thru the yard, so consequently the mulch 'flys' as well as the fabric getting torn. Had I of known cardboard and newspaper were the 'environmentally correct' materials, I would have used it instead. I was also talked out of the crushed stone(instead of mulch)by my landscaper, now wish I hadn't listened to him re: either product, especially the crushed stone since I had used it in a previous home.

I would recommend NOT using fabric landscaping material or mulch under your Rosé bushes~just 2 cents from a novice gardener. ;o)

    Bookmark   April 24, 2013 at 5:35PM
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eahamel(9a)

I'm with everyone else here. I almost lost 3 Mme Antoine Mari's that I'd had for years because over time leaves packed down on top of it and weeds grew on top of it, and heavy rain didn't penetrate it. It's a b**ch to remove, too! Nearly killed me!

If I use that stuff at all now, it's to put in the bottom of flower pots to cover the drain holes.

    Bookmark   April 24, 2013 at 9:50PM
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nummykitchen

Nice info! I cringed at that photo of Japanese beetles eating that poor rose :( I almost forgot how annoying those pests are but seeing that picture brought it all back.

    Bookmark   April 24, 2013 at 8:02PM
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Alana8aSC

Thanks!

    Bookmark   April 24, 2013 at 8:40PM
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gigim(8A SC)

It is a month later and they look fabulous! Still short to the ground but flush with leaves and new buds. Perhaps this was not such a bad idea after all! Have started my first ever batch of alfalfa tea and will feed them that this weekend. Thanks to those of you who gave advice (as opposed to making snarky comments about my husband) ;-)

    Bookmark   April 24, 2013 at 4:19PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Congratulations! I'm glad they came back well for you. Roses are very forgiving and quite the survivors!

    Bookmark   April 24, 2013 at 7:42PM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

If you pinch them out when they are about the size of a chocolate chip or smaller, you can just use your finger tips, but acissors works just as well. You want them removed asap, before the plant has put a lot of energy into forming them.

    Bookmark   April 17, 2013 at 3:35PM
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andreark

Boy, you can certainly tell that you've been at this a long time....I thought about doing this, but it breaks my heart to think of denying myself the pleasure of seeing another beaut!!!

ak

    Bookmark   April 24, 2013 at 7:34PM
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marquest(z5 PA)

I love these kind of accidents. I imagine you have more survival success in your climate.

Something similar happened to me. I was moving so I planted my roses in styrofoam coolers. When I was ready to move 2 years later I tried to lift the pot I fell back on my backside.

The determination of these roses were the coolers were on a cement patio but the roots had traveled out of the pot through the Fall leaves on the patio and found their way to the ground beside the patio. That soil area had a mini-pond so I guess the fertile soil in that area also made a perfect well feed environment.

Because of that incident and because I have survival issues due too my extreme climate I grow my roses in styrofoam coolers for the first 2 years before I plant them in the garden. The styrofoam seems to give them the insulation needed to get a good root system and they are a stronger plant when placed in the garden.

    Bookmark   April 24, 2013 at 2:43PM
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prairielaura(6b)

Styrofoam potting. That is interesting.
Why do some roses croak in spite of tenderest care, and others survive this kind of benign neglect?

    Bookmark   April 24, 2013 at 4:55PM
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roseseek

So, it seems a foliar feed of nasty old Miracle Gro isn't such a bad thing after all? Kim

    Bookmark   April 24, 2013 at 1:35PM
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