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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Yes shade cloth shelter, and making sure the soil stays moist, will reduce stress until the rose recovers. I use the handy old cylinders made of wire fencing and drape the shade cloth over that. Paired with bird netting, those cylinders are also keep the birds off the blueberry plants so we can get the fruit. The cylinders also work as rabbit guards for young plants and as composters.

    Bookmark   April 23, 2013 at 5:00PM
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Laurie(6)

Thanks all.

Surprisingly, it isn't doing as bad as it appeared that first day. I went out to water it this morning, and the leaves had perked up nicely, even in spite of our cool temperatures. Today was completely overcast, which probably has helped. I'm going to keep an eye on all of them and if they look stressed I'll probably put up some shade, but that has to wait until the weekend regardless. I leave the house by 7am, and don't get home until well after 7pm.

    Bookmark   April 23, 2013 at 5:42PM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

If you are not in a hurry, give it some time--it may spring back. This is quite a tough rose.

    Bookmark   April 23, 2013 at 11:23AM
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jessaka

good to know. i will give it time, and if it dies, someone somewhere should have another replacement or wait until next year. thanks so much

    Bookmark   April 23, 2013 at 4:02PM
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kingcobbtx9b

Good idea giving it another year.

Also though, sometimes roses just don't grow well in a particular spot. I have a spot along my fence line where I have tried to grow Julia Child, didn't grow a lick for 2 years, moved it to another spot and it is now growing like crazy.

Replaced the dirt there and tried peace. Same thing happened, it shrunk more then it grew. Moved it to the bed and it is now shooting up like crazy.

Don't know what the deal was, lots of sun, had roses growing great along the fence to the right and left, just not right there.

If you decide to change:
Depending on how dark you want--
Love Song--Great color lots of blooms light mauve.
Twilight Zone & Ebb Tide-both much darker, but lots of pretty blooms.
Stainless steel grows great for me, but is much lighter.

    Bookmark   April 23, 2013 at 11:00AM
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debora(10/18 CA)

I second the suggestion of Fragrant Plum. It's very vigorous for me in inland SoCal, doesn't mind my neglect, repeats well and smells wonderful. The one problem might be keeping it down to 4 feet!

    Bookmark   April 23, 2013 at 11:59AM
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poorbutroserich(Nashville 7a)

Ok Tammy, that seals the deal! I am officially inviting myself to your rose garden and to see those precious critters!
How much fun!
I'm down to one rabbit but it's nice having fresh poop from your own source!
Best wishes for your new property.
Susan

    Bookmark   April 22, 2013 at 9:44AM
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lou_texas(8a N Central TX)

I've used llama manure with good results. Lou

    Bookmark   April 23, 2013 at 11:04AM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

Looks like things are shaping up for you...

    Bookmark   April 23, 2013 at 10:31AM
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Campanula UK Z8

you can dip a cotton bud (I think you call them Q-tips) in methylated spirits (the purple stuff) and gently rub over the scale - they will loosen and you can wipe them off with a dry cloth or pry them, using a fingernail.
I get them on my lemon tree.

    Bookmark   April 23, 2013 at 6:11AM
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opheliathornvt zone 5

Thanks very much for the suggestions.

    Bookmark   April 23, 2013 at 9:35AM
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seil zone 6b MI

They're both lovely but they're completely different types of plants. FM is an HT and will probably be taller but narrower than PAoK. Austins tend to get pretty big and bushy if they're happy, lol!

    Bookmark   April 22, 2013 at 8:55PM
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henry_kuska

"Abstract Roses are incredibly diverse. It is not only about the number of cultivars (well above 25,000), but also about all possible features: colour, size, shape, growth rate, and leaf aspect. Due to these varied aspects, the system of rose classification is a very varied one: even so, some cultivars cannot be included in either category (Eckart Haenchen, M.A.S.T. 2005). As far as the flowers are concerned, some cultivars are characterised by a large number of petals, some others have fewer petals, and some have an unpleasant look because of their morphology. The most cultivated roses are scented ones and their production has turned into a real business (William Grant, 2006)."

H.Kuska comment. The actual paper appears very similar to the other.

http://journal-hfb.usab-tm.ro/engleza/2012/Lista%20lucrari%20PDF/Lucrari%2016(4)/4%20Brizu%20Diana.pdf

Here is a link that might be useful: link for above

    Bookmark   April 22, 2013 at 11:32AM
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catsrose(VA 6)

Doodles, my Mutabilis is at least 7' high and 6' wide. I planted it too close (5' away) to a holly bush that has turned into a tree--I was new to VA and didn't know squat about hollies. Now the back canes of M climb thru the holly tree and the front canes come out at right angles and then send branches up from there. I also had one in Sante Fe, which was 5b at the time--high desert. It was 6x4 after four years, and then I moved.
So, I would set them at least 5 feet back from your path.

At my parents house, we had two arborvitae one on each side of the walkway to the front door. Year by year, they grew together and eventually completely blocked the walk. So we laid a new sidewalk, curving gracefully around the one on the right side, giving it plenty of room, and giving us a nice little bed. The following spring, the one on the left died and two years after that, the right one died.

    Bookmark   April 17, 2013 at 9:00PM
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doodles-grower

Catsrose, Thanks for responding, I kind of had thought I would need to move my path for my Mutabilis but I hadn't in my searching found anyone in the colder zone say the width. We live in 6b/7 zone but over the years we have always notice our flowers bloom a good week or two after everyone else so we know we are considerably colder, But we are up in the mountains so not surprised. I got both planted this weekend so Thank You! I am so glad everyone seems to love this rose!

    Bookmark   April 22, 2013 at 10:09AM
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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

Coffee in the morning while searching a different baked bean recipe for the crockpot while waiting on Costco to open.

Decided to boil the beans just in case while waiting on Costco.

Picked up supplies for a veggie garden drip system and bought a cover for my new bbq at HD.

Picked up the buns and a couple of extra chairs at Costco

Mixed what I decided would be good for the beans in the crockpot and headed to mom's to wrestle my deal roll of fencing (found a discounted roll of 330' of 48" field fencing for $10-steal of a deal and have been replaced the salvage fencing we were using around the veggie garden)

Cut the wire down to run 2 rows of boysenberries and two of raspberries (extra will be for around trees) and made tomato cages and veggie fencing out of the rest.

Then-tested the new bbq and had a hot dog/beans/tater salad cook out with the boys and mom.

And am now tired.

I did cut a jar full of deep purple sweet peas to take home and enjoy. Where is that glass of wine!

    Bookmark   April 22, 2013 at 12:39AM
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poorbutroserich(Nashville 7a)

Friday, Saturday, and Sunday I planted bands from last summer and some of my 2G roses. Also companions. I worked from 10 am to 6 pm. Then I ate dinner, showered and went to bed.
I am busting my fanny early this year in the hopes that I can have some relaxing Sundays soon. Usually I am planting in the heat and humidity of June...
This June I'm hoping for omelettes, coffee, newspapers and naps on the weekend. (In the garden).
Susan

    Bookmark   April 22, 2013 at 9:41AM
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seil zone 6b MI

It had all that green growth on it UNDER the mulch! I was shocked because most everything else that had growth on it when they came out was the whitish stuff. She's all cleaned up and ready to grow!

    Bookmark   April 21, 2013 at 9:28PM
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Campanula UK Z8

I don't know about Jim Sproul's creations (I wish, sigh) but this latest generation of hulthemias are proving to have massive disease resistance and a definite toughness - my latest is a little pink 'Bright as a Button' by Chris Warner. It leafed up very early and looks ...........eager

I can now do that camera thing of nipping outside and taking a picture, then putting it on a PC.

Of course, being wildly enthused, there will be no tidying up, prinking, posing or any attempt to make a nicely arranged composition (yet?). Please ignore the Xmas spruce....with remnants of wrapping paper still round the pot.

    Bookmark   April 22, 2013 at 5:36AM
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amandahugg(SS19 CA)

Dig out all your Knock Out roses and their relatives now! It's the only way to stop this blight.

    Bookmark   April 22, 2013 at 1:02AM
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Dead headLeast favorite rose job, dead heading a climber.
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Someone sheared your Agapanthus?!? What the heck?!?

This one takes a long time:

    Bookmark   April 22, 2013 at 12:15AM
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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

Which one is that Hoovb?

    Bookmark   April 22, 2013 at 12:52AM
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sandandsun(9a FL)

henry_kuska,
In the thread linked below, you have a post that starts "I live in northern Ohio. I do not spray anything (except in rare experiments)." It is one of my very favorites of your posts.
Would you consider starting a new thread for it and breaking it up with the individual links? I wanted to reference it in a post I made a few months ago, but I couldn't find it then.
Thank you again for all your wonderful contributions!

Here is a link that might be useful: friendly fungi equilibrium thread

    Bookmark   April 21, 2013 at 2:34PM
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henry_kuska

Hi sandandsun,

I went to my old post and found that two of the 3 critical links no longer work. I spent some time trying to find some substitute links but the ones that I have I found so far were very technical and/or not really applicable.

The 2007 scientific research paper has not had any citations from more recent scientific papers so far.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/17429140701701071

Here is a link that might be useful: 2007 scientific research paper

    Bookmark   April 22, 2013 at 12:06AM
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

Could I give one more bit of negative comment on ND, Brenda? Don't get ND. I've had experience with six...yes, six of the botanical equivalent of a dragon. I won't explain how I came to own so many NDs--it's just too embarrassing. I managed to rid myself of two NDs when a gardening friend with a huge amount of space and a long fence took them. After a couple of years, she got tired of the pruning hassle and disposed of hers. When I was finally down to one ND, this rose broke the welds my big metal arbor, and that was it for me. No more climbing step ladders at my age while armed to the teeth. So out she went about a year ago, and I now am growing a sweet climber called Colette which I love. What a difference a new, well behaved rose makes. Diane

    Bookmark   April 20, 2013 at 10:52PM
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Brenda_1967(7)

Thanks Diane for the tip on the climber Collette. Sure, I appreciate all comments on ND. Now thinking maybe I should just call it a loss on the money I spent and quit worrying about my two ND. They are still small. And, I certainly don't need any extra work or hassles with my gardening as I age. I want to keep things simple and enjoy my yard and flowers.

Brenda

    Bookmark   April 21, 2013 at 10:32PM
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